Haye would Steamroll Areolla

[RozzySean]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

At LW and against natural JWW fighters, Floyd Mayweather has very good power. Against legit, true quality WW's, he doesn't. I've seen Haye. His power is impressive at CW. He clearly has the power to take out journeyman HW's. That's clear. We all know that he can have some success in the HW division. I don't think anybody denies that. But there is ZERO evidence to suggest that his power will carry to top quality HW's. There is also evidence that he's going to have trouble taking shots from quality power punching HW's. This is not to say that he MIGHT not have power that carries to the HW division. However, given his style, size, mediocre defense, and suspect chin, it's very optimistic to think this guy will "take the division by storm" or "steamroll" anybody who is a legit top 5 or even top 10 HW. Haye ain't KOing Sam Peter, and Sam Peter could end a fight with Haye very quickly. That's not to say that Haye doesn't have a chance against him, but don't think that wouldn't be a very risky fight. Chamber would pick him apart with counters. Either Klit would KO him with fury. Arreola would be an interesting fight. Though another interesting fight, Povetkin would probably outwork him and take charge late in the fight.

[AdamGB]

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

At LW and against natural JWW fighters, Floyd Mayweather has very good power. Against legit, true quality WW's, he doesn't. I've seen Haye. His power is impressive at CW. He clearly has the power to take out journeyman HW's. That's clear. We all know that he can have some success in the HW division. I don't think anybody denies that. But there is ZERO evidence to suggest that his power will carry to top quality HW's. There is also evidence that he's going to have trouble taking shots from quality power punching HW's. This is not to say that he MIGHT not have power that carries to the HW division. However, given his style, size, mediocre defense, and suspect chin, it's very optimistic to think this guy will "take the division by storm" or "steamroll" anybody who is a legit top 5 or even top 10 HW. Haye ain't KOing Sam Peter, and Sam Peter could end a fight with Haye very quickly. That's not to say that Haye doesn't have a chance against him, but don't think that wouldn't be a very risky fight. Chamber would pick him apart with counters. Either Klit would KO him with fury. Arreola would be an interesting fight. Though another interesting fight, Povetkin would probably outwork him and take charge late in the fight.

All valid points, agree with quite a few of them.

I'm not comparing haye to mayweather, simply trying to use him as an anology to explain what I mean by 'hang with the division'. a fairly to the point sentance but VD has somehow managed to pick it up and just run with it...

I believe that Haye has the ability to do things in the division but his size and chin are going to work against him unless he can make a far few adjustments to how he fought against cruiserweights.

obviously if he had the power of a true heavy then he wouldn't have to adjust loads to be successfully... just tighten up that leaky defence!