Miranda should want to learn how to box first. Ko'ing chumps on espn is great and all and i like edison but damn till he learns how to box these top guys will continue to beat his ass he'll ko someone on espn and the cycle will repeat...
Miranda should want to learn how to box first. Ko'ing chumps on espn is great and all and i like edison but damn till he learns how to box these top guys will continue to beat his ass he'll ko someone on espn and the cycle will repeat...
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I want to see that as well, but you can't make those guys fight him. Bute has shown little inclination to getting in the ring with the top tier 168lbers, and Kessler, I believe, is fighting Mads Larsen, which apparently is a huge fight in Denmark, in order to get out of the Paille contract (because he wants the big fights, but Paille is content to play Warren Jr., keeping Kessler in low-risk fights and raking in the money domestically).
"If there's a better chin in the world than Pryor's, it has to be on Mount Rushmore." -Pat Putnam.
lots of props to Miranda for wanting to take on the best opposition, but honestly after each loss he starts looking a lot more like Mayorga
To me in the middleweight division Kelly has punch that can not be dealt with. Lightheavyweight is no place for Kelly to be at this point in time. People now make fun of Kelly by getting schooled by B-Hop but let's take a look at this.
B-Hop said it himself if Kelly would land one big shot he knew he would be in trouble. Something I never expected B-Hop to say.
Another thing people do forget whether you think I am making excuses or not Kelly had the flu since the Wednesday before the fight. He ran I believe it was 103 degree temperature on that Wednesday and was put on meds ASAP. No matter what you say or think if you are running a high temp it will effect you in the ring. I
I am not saying Kelly would have beaten B-Hop that night but if they fought at middleweight with Kelly not having temp issue well anything could happen.
With all that being said to your last question I think Kelly would fair much better in the middleweight division then Taylor. If you look at the all-time greats Monzon,Hagler. Pavlik has the same exact mantality a hard working,blue collar fighter. They didn't dazzle you with footwork,handspeed and ring generalship. They dazzled you with kicking your ass until you said mercy. IMO Monzon and Hagler would do exactly what Pavlik did to Taylor if they ever fought.
I neve said Taylor would beat them 2. But neither would Kelly. At the end of the day Taylor had Pavlik on the verge of KO but gassed. Hagler and Monzon would not, but to me B-Hop is 3rd to them in Middleweight history (as RJJ's longevity was saved for LHW) and Taylor beat him twice!
[quote=rjj tszyu;671166][quote=The Fightfan;671057]Two rounds don't make a fight. A fight goes until the final bell or until someone can't continue. For two rounds, Taylor beat Pavlik; for six rounds Cotto beat Margarito; for seven rounds Lee beat Vera - you get my point.
Additionally, after the first fight...there was a second fight. In which Pavlik clearly outboxed Taylor. Like speed, power, and ring generalship, heart, courage, and perserverence are qualities that combine to make a fighter great. Pavlik has more of those than Taylor. It really can't be refuted. At 60, Pavlik is better than Taylor.
Your point is that Taylor would fair better than Pavlik against other all-time great middleweights. That is a different point and it would take consideration of the individual match-ups. Taylor may get the edge against some, and Pavlik the edge against others. At the end of the day, when both fighters are retired we can scrutinize their legacies and decide which one is stronger.
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