Margarito caught cheating?

[Spicoli]

Ohh what a distortion.........we all know Tony had a boxcutter tucked into the laces vs. Lujan as well .Viva revisionist history?!

[the_PRODIGY]

I just watched the final round of his fight with Cotto again and I saw him at the end carried by his corner raising his hands minus the gloves and I think it looks pretty normal. I don't think it would do more damage than what he inflicted on Cotto unless it was as bulgy as the one on the picture you posted. Before we conclude on the controversy and judge Tony we should also think that this wouldn't been an issue if he had won against Mosley. Marg didn't lose tonight because he didnt have those 'illegal wraps' but because Shane put on a magnificent performance. I don't think adding some plaster of paris to handwraps would increase the accuracy of your punches. Against Cotto, Tony was very efficient. Tonight he was totally out of his style because of Mosley's perfect gameplan.

Bottomline..Don't judge him. It is awful. The attempt to cheat tonight was awful. But what we saw tonight happened not because he got caught. It's because Shane Mosley is the man.

I did lose a ton of respect for Antonio Margarito TONIGHT. only the Margarito who fought TONIGHT.

[Youngblood]

I just watched the final round of his fight with Cotto again and I saw him at the end carried by his corner raising his hands minus the gloves and I think it looks pretty normal. I don't think it would do more damage than what he inflicted on Cotto unless it was as bulgy as the one on the picture you posted. Before we conclude on the controversy and judge Tony we should also think that this wouldn't been an issue if he had won against Mosley. Marg didn't lose tonight because he didnt have those 'illegal wraps' but because Shane put on a magnificent performance. I don't think adding some plaster of paris to handwraps would increase the accuracy of your punches. Against Cotto, Tony was very efficient. Tonight he was totally out of his style because of Mosley's perfect gameplan.

Bottomline..Don't judge him. It is awful. The attempt to cheat tonight was awful. But what we saw tonight happened not because he got caught. It's because Shane Mosley is the man.

I did lose a ton of respect for Antonio Margarito TONIGHT. only the Margarito who fought TONIGHT.

I do agree with most of your post. This should be about Mosely's performance, as what a performance it was. He was in a zone and on his game in a way much like I saw only in my recent memory in Bhop in Bhop/Pavlik. Completely focused, firing on all cylinders and utilizing all the tools and skill that come with a long successful career.

So much kudos to Sugar Shane.

I also agree that we must first get the facts in before we start throwing stones and questioning fights prior. So let us do that.

Where I don't agree, is in suggesting that if proven, we cannot take Margarito's previous performances and look at them with a suspicious eye. Integrity is integrity. There is a reason when a cop or a prosecuting attorney is caught cheating the system to further their agenda to get a win that often previous cases are then relooked at.

The reason is that if a person is proven to have such a lack of ethics enough to cheat to further their agenda now, the chances are much higher they have had them in the past. Actions speak.

So don't blame fans of Cotto and other people Margarito has beaten for casting that suspicious eye, or even for making angered assumptions. If it is proven he cheated tonight...the person to blame for all the suspicion is Antonio Margarito, the person who wraps his hands and anyone else who may have known.

And no, if it is proven, he shouldn't in my opinion lose those past fights, unless some revelation comes out telling, proving of how he cheated then also. But he should, again, if proven...have to suffer considerable consequences for it. Monetary? I think so. A suspension? I think so. A tarnish on his legacy? Most definately.

This sport cannot afford cheating. Not in this climate where it already struggles and is competing for fans. Not from promotors. Not from judges. And most certainly...not from it's athletes.

[the_PRODIGY]

I just watched the final round of his fight with Cotto again and I saw him at the end carried by his corner raising his hands minus the gloves and I think it looks pretty normal. I don't think it would do more damage than what he inflicted on Cotto unless it was as bulgy as the one on the picture you posted. Before we conclude on the controversy and judge Tony we should also think that this wouldn't been an issue if he had won against Mosley. Marg didn't lose tonight because he didnt have those 'illegal wraps' but because Shane put on a magnificent performance. I don't think adding some plaster of paris to handwraps would increase the accuracy of your punches. Against Cotto, Tony was very efficient. Tonight he was totally out of his style because of Mosley's perfect gameplan.

Bottomline..Don't judge him. It is awful. The attempt to cheat tonight was awful. But what we saw tonight happened not because he got caught. It's because Shane Mosley is the man.

I did lose a ton of respect for Antonio Margarito TONIGHT. only the Margarito who fought TONIGHT.

I do agree with most of your post. This should be about Mosely's performance, as what a performance it was. He was in a zone and on his game in a way much like I saw only in my recent memory in Bhop in Bhop/Pavlik. Completely focused, firing on all cylinders and utilizing all the tools and skill that come with a long successful career.

So much kudos to Sugar Shane.

I also agree that we must first get the facts in before we start throwing stones and questioning fights prior. So let us do that.

Where I don't agree, is in suggesting that if proven, we cannot take Margarito's previous performances and look at them with a suspicious eye. Integrity is integrity. There is a reason when a cop or a prosecuting attorney is caught cheating the system to further their agenda to get a win that often previous cases are then relooked at.

The reason is that if a person is proven to have such a lack of ethics enough to cheat to further their agenda now, the chances are much higher they have had them in the past. Actions speak.

So don't blame fans of Cotto and other people Margarito has beaten for casting that suspicious eye, or even for making angered assumptions. If it is proven he cheated tonight...the person to blame for all the suspicion is Antonio Margarito, the person who wraps his hands and anyone else who may have known.

And no, if it is proven, he shouldn't in my opinion lose those past fights, unless some revelation comes out telling, proving of how he cheated then also. But he should, again, if proven...have to suffer considerable consequences for it. Monetary? I think so. A suspension? I think so. A tarnish on his legacy? Most definately.

This sport cannot afford cheating. Not in this climate where it already struggles and is competing for fans. Not from promotors. Not from judges. And most certainly...not from it's athletes.

Got your point. If I were a fan of any fighter that Margarito has beaten in the past I might as well be like a mad dog right now. But being a big fan of Antonio Margarito and knowing him as a true gentleman on and off the ring I would be defensive on these brutal accusations that tend to blemish his previous accomplishments. It's just not right. He didn't beat his opponents before because he had very hard fists. It's because he had a very hard chin. I don't think those plasters gave him great stamina and endurance. I don't think he walked through Cotto's punches because of it. And I don't think those plasters affect his punching power that much. the bare knuckles, the human bone isn't that 'soft' compared to this material that is used to make casts. It won't make his punches like 10x harder. and no matter how much wraps and plasters are on his knuckles the gloves won't be thinner and would remain the same. feelin me?

And since everyone is making assumptions on this issue.. let me tell you mine. My own biased view..

As far as I knew.. one of this handwraps' main purpose is to increase the power of the punches. Yes.. a better grip and more compact fists hits harder. So aside from protection. These handwraps are built to implict more damage on opponents. There are various ways of handwrapping. It depends on where the boxer is more comfortable.. and of course the trainer's style. In the Nevada rules, there is only a certain amount of length of wraps that is allowed for boxers.

As the fight goes on..surely these wraps tend to loosen up more. Margarito's team could have been using this plaster of paris to prevent the wraps to loosen up during the fight. Yes..around the fist. And not just on the knuckles. you don't punch using the back of your hand! Someone in here said it weighs almost a pound. On the area of the knuckles alone? that's ridiculous. and considering the fact that they have to change the handwrapping for 3 times...you call that intentional cheating?!? if they were guilty of something I don't think they would attempt to do the same thing again or worst for the 3rd time! if that was cheating... I am hoping that his team.. and much more Antonio Margarito..is unaware that they were doing something illegal.

The guy is never known for fighting dirty inside the ring. I don't think he is outside the ring. He's too classy and too gallant of a fighter to do such unforgiveable act.

[boozeboxer]

Danny I would flush your ass if I could. I find your threads to be similar to royal's, albeit more graphic.

Here is what we know:

Lampley kept saying the same shit over and over and over about his hand wraps. No evidence. I find if funny that HBO boxing (which seems to think it is necessary to inject drama into everything) didn't show this "cast." Because nobody had cameras of any kind in the dressing room..... yeah right.
So what we have is Lampley (I guess beauty queens don't require hand wraps) unilaterally making accusations to an entire camp who doesn't speak english on broadcasted television. That my friends is a tragedy. Lampley is the true cheat.

Further, Margarito didn't fight with this alleged "cast." When something that was probably more mind games requiring Margarito to rewrap his hands 3 times puts a question mark over an entire career is really sad. It is sad to think boxing fans could be that naive or so fair-weather.

Finally, Mosely is no saint himself. Being the subject of a steroid invetigation, even if Margarito did use something illegal, it is not as if he was using it on someone who was above doing anything to get an edge on an opponent.

[the_PRODIGY]

Danny I would flush your ass if I could. I find your threads to be similar to royal's, albeit more graphic.

Here is what we know:

Lampley kept saying the same shit over and over and over about his hand wraps. No evidence. I find if funny that HBO boxing (which seems to think it is necessary to inject drama into everything) didn't show this "cast." Because nobody had cameras of any kind in the dressing room..... yeah right.
So what we have is Lampley (I guess beauty queens don't require hand wraps) unilaterally making accusations to an entire camp who doesn't speak english on broadcasted television. That my friends is a tragedy. Lampley is the true cheat.

Further, Margarito didn't fight with this alleged "cast." When something that was probably more mind games requiring Margarito to rewrap his hands 3 times puts a question mark over an entire career is really sad. It is sad to think boxing fans could be that naive or so fair-weather.

Finally, Mosely is no saint himself. Being the subject of a steroid invetigation, even if Margarito did use something illegal, it is not as if he was using it on someone who was above doing anything to get an edge on an opponent.

That is indeed the saddest part. Understable to hear shiits from die hard narrow-minded bitter Cotto fans. But to say that the he is nothing without those 'casts'. thats bullshiit. Like I said above, he didn't reach this point because of this plaster of paris. And Mosley as well didn't won tonight because Tony didn't have these casts. Fukk 'em. Fukk Lampley. Fukk HBO. Fukk the media.

[Spicoli]

Danny I would flush your ass if I could. I find your threads to be similar to royal's, albeit more graphic.

Here is what we know:

Lampley kept saying the same shit over and over and over about his hand wraps. No evidence. I find if funny that HBO boxing (which seems to think it is necessary to inject drama into everything) didn't show this "cast." Because nobody had cameras of any kind in the dressing room..... yeah right.
So what we have is Lampley (I guess beauty queens don't require hand wraps) unilaterally making accusations to an entire camp who doesn't speak english on broadcasted television. That my friends is a tragedy. Lampley is the true cheat.

Further, Margarito didn't fight with this alleged "cast." When something that was probably more mind games requiring Margarito to rewrap his hands 3 times puts a question mark over an entire career is really sad. It is sad to think boxing fans could be that naive or so fair-weather.

Finally, Mosely is no saint himself. Being the subject of a steroid invetigation, even if Margarito did use something illegal, it is not as if he was using it on someone who was above doing anything to get an edge on an opponent.

Totally agree Booze.Inflamatory rhetoric run amoke and the timing and sensationalized glee of Lampley would make Day time soap opera divas envious.Why must there always be much such shite talking and side bar plot points after a night of fights ??Lets stick to FACTS for a change!Shane fought his azz off lastnight and wrecked Margarito like no other for a great convincing victory.Thats what I'll remember.....for some time no doubt.All of this other crap is just that!!

[Youngblood]

Let's be honest here...we don't know if it is crap or not. I hope it is, and if so...goes away fast. Because ya know...I gained a lot of respect for Margo in his fight with Cotto. I'd hate to see it be this. I'd hate to see it be this for the black mark it'd leave on the sport I love and compete in.

But if it is true, I hope you guys will treat it as such and not sugar coat it, and admonish the behavior. And if it is proved otherwise...hope those slinging mud without proof will let it go.

It probably won't happen like that...but it certainly should.

I suppose what we need to hope for most, is a quick answer.

[Diane]

Danny I would flush your ass if I could. I find your threads to be similar to royal's, albeit more graphic.

Here is what we know:

Lampley kept saying the same shit over and over and over about his hand wraps. No evidence. I find if funny that HBO boxing (which seems to think it is necessary to inject drama into everything) didn't show this "cast." Because nobody had cameras of any kind in the dressing room..... yeah right.
So what we have is Lampley (I guess beauty queens don't require hand wraps) unilaterally making accusations to an entire camp who doesn't speak english on broadcasted television. That my friends is a tragedy. Lampley is the true cheat.

Further, Margarito didn't fight with this alleged "cast." When something that was probably more mind games requiring Margarito to rewrap his hands 3 times puts a question mark over an entire career is really sad. It is sad to think boxing fans could be that naive or so fair-weather.

Finally, Mosely is no saint himself. Being the subject of a steroid invetigation, even if Margarito did use something illegal, it is not as if he was using it on someone who was above doing anything to get an edge on an opponent.

Geez Booze, you've been here long enough to know that Danny is a windup artist. Last night he was laughing as he was posting all this stuff, and he kept telling me that this will get some peoples panties in a bunch. And guess what, it obviously worked.

Honestly, do you not see this thread as a joke?

I guess it took another windup artist in Violent D to know that Danny is just joking, and trying to push your guys buttons.

BTW, I'd seen you post in another thread that Danny has 3 alts, sorry to disappoint you, but no, he doesn't.

Now, regarding the wraps, yes I am a huge Cotto fan, but I also have made it clear that I am also a fan of Margarito's, I picked him to win this fight by late stoppage, and I gave him his props after he beat Cotto, however, if the commission finds that Margarito was trying to cheat, how can any of you say that us Cotto fans don't have the right to question him doing it for the Cotto fight. As well as any Cintron fan, etc, etc...

You say that there is no evidence, but there is, the boxing commission confiscated 2 pads, one from his wrap, and one from the room. Now I am hoping to God that they are just normal gauze pads, but, if they were obviously just normal pads, the commission wouldn't have seen fit to box them up and take them. I have to think that there was something there that made it seem fit for them to take them as evidence.

And it wasn't just Lampley talking about it, go to every boxing website, they are all reporting it.

Again, I hope to God that this is not true, it would put a big question mark on Tony's accomplishments, but if it is true, then Tony should be penalized accordingly.