What if they had the ref from the 17th.

[Taeth]

And how would either of them done without the clinch? I mean Hatton didn't get to show everything against Mayweather because Cortez was always breaking them up, and I think that hurt Hatton in that fight. Not that he would have won because Mayweather has amazing defensive against anything but a fast southpaw, but it really changed that fight, it changed Holyfield-Tyson, it changes every Klitschko fight. I kept saying that all Cotto needed to do was clinch more and work out of the clinch, and muscle Margarito around, and thats what Mosley did, and I feel vindicated in that.

[RozzySean]

There wasn't a ref in the world who could have saved Tony tonight. He was dominated. Yes, a few more clinches might have allowed Cotto go the distance an lose a decision instead of being stopped. If the ref had been stupid as the ref in the Berto fight, it wouldn't have mattered because Shane was getting the better of Tony inside. Perhaps it would have gone on a little longer, but in the the end would have been the same. The ref being overly sensitive to clinches helped Collazo and contributed to it being a very close fight that many people think Collazo won, yes. Maybe Berto wins two more rounds if he was allowed to clinch. Either way, same result. Berto won.

Tony got his ass kicked from LA to TJ. Beaten, dominated. It was not unlike the way Mayweather dismantled Hatton. If Hatton had been allow by Cortez to clinch more, would Hatton have won? I think not. Maybe he doesn't get KO'd, but he still loses. With or without a single clinch, Tony was going to lose the fight, just like Cotto would have lost (but probably gone the distance) if he would have clinched more.

[Gandalf]

I think a warning and a point deduction would have been completely acceptable. It wouldnt have changed the fact that Mosley was winning every round though. It wouldnt have made too much of a difference IMO.

[No Contest]

Tony almost tackles people he comes forward so much, instead of getting bullrushed into the ropes like Cotto, Shane decided to tie him up and hold his ground. Leave it to Teath to nit-pick a brilliant performance by Shane....

[Taeth]

Sigh did you guys see Cotto-Margarito? Cotto was dominating Margarito for the first six rounds on the inside, on the outside, everywhere. Mosley never let Margarito get off on the inside, and they hardly fought on the inside that much. It mostly involved Mosley moving away or standing at distance and loading up on shots, Margarito needs you on the ropes before he can be truly effective, and Mosley due to clinching was allowed to reduce his output in order to never get caught on the ropes, Margarito is like a train, and he needs to build momentum, but because of clinching he could never get that momentum going, I love that Mosley did it. Margarito is maybe the only guy at the top of the sport that I hate and nobody is happier that he lost than me. I am just saying refs can change fights.

[CutMeMick]

If my grandma had wings she'd be a plane...

[blegit]

Sigh did you guys see Cotto-Margarito? Cotto was dominating Margarito for the first six rounds on the inside, on the outside, everywhere. Mosley never let Margarito get off on the inside, and they hardly fought on the inside that much. It mostly involved Mosley moving away or standing at distance and loading up on shots, Margarito needs you on the ropes before he can be truly effective, and Mosley due to clinching was allowed to reduce his output in order to never get caught on the ropes, Margarito is like a train, and he needs to build momentum, but because of clinching he could never get that momentum going, I love that Mosley did it. Margarito is maybe the only guy at the top of the sport that I hate and nobody is happier that he lost than me. I am just saying refs can change fights.

A lot of things can change how a fight looks but Margarito was going to lose. It was one sided, man. Please listen to yourself my friend. This is a trivial topic. Mosley landed that right hand all night and going to the body early and often is what kept Margarito honest in his bull charging tactic. He had to bring his elbows down and this delays the timing on his headshots. How about we talk about what really could've changed the fight significantly, the plaster in his handwraps. I'm sure the punches would've been more significant and Tony would've threw his 100 any kind of punches just so he could land as many as he would know he just needs to land punches. And his confidence would've been much more solid coming into the fight and throughout trouble in the fight.

[Taeth]

I don't see how knowledgable people think Margarito not being able to throw a hundred or more punches a round doesn't change things... If Mosley doesn't clinch, Tony throws more punches, and then Mosley doesn't have the space.