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    I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.
    PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DC Amateur Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.
    PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.
    For most of his career, Shane fought one way because that's all his father-trainer knew. Jack Mosley was never great at gameplanning. Shane did what he did, and usually he was talented enough to win.

    Just the thought...now that Nazem is training him, it's there a chance that Nazem sits down, studies Mayweather, and creates his own plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RozzySean View Post
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    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.
    PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.
    For most of his career, Shane fought one way because that's all his father-trainer knew. Jack Mosley was never great at gameplanning. Shane did what he did, and usually he was talented enough to win.

    Just the thought...now that Nazem is training him, it's there a chance that Nazem sits down, studies Mayweather, and creates his own plan?
    All the best trainers have tried, Nazeem is smart but is getting alot of publicity for beating 2 1 dimensional fighters with no plan B's.. Albeit 2 tough young champs in their prime.

    The 2 things that made a difference in Pavlik/Hopins-Mosley/Margarito was hand speed, footwork... Floyd has all that with the ring intelligence to have a plan A,B,C.. Im not saying its impossible, but Richardson wasnt planning against 2 master skilled ring tacticians

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC Amateur Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.
    PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.
    Why couldn't Mayweather stand on the inside, The only person he wasn't able to fight with on the inside was Castillo, and Mayweather has adjusted his style since then and Castillo was a better inside fighter than Mosley, he was shorter, his punches are more suited for the inside.

    I think when Mayweather fought Oscar it proved to me he could beat Mosley. IMO Oscar was always the better of the two, I think he beat Mosley in the second fight by almost doubling Mosley's punches landed.

    I just watched Mosley-Collazo again, and I challenge anybody to find a round that if Collazo didn't land a couple to a handful more clean blows that he wouldn't won(except the knockdown round where he was caught off balance coming in). Every round was very competitive, Collazo broke his hand, and he only had 1 month to train for the fight, because he was a substitute for Cintron against Mosley.

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    yeah and i just rewatched pbf's whole career dvd set, and if he fought anybody with shane's skills and pwoer he'd be beat..and surely you can't compare the 154 delahoya to the 147 delahoya that fought shane...that's ;ike saying shane is the same as he was 154..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

    shane has fought to the level of his comp..and when he feels he's the great underdog he will turn it up...all those point u made can easily be turned against floyd..floyd hasn't fought a prime a+ fighter since he was at 135...

    hatton is good but's not a+ and mosely's competition easily trumps pbf. So while i won't be rooting for anything more than a good fight. I think shane wins...and shane beating margo forces pbf to stayed retired..because if comes out and fights anybody but shane, its clear that he doesn't want any part of him....sure he can come out and fight manny if he beats hatton, (which i think he wont) but manny is too small and doesnt have the skill to beat floyd...so im pulling for hatton to force floyd to fight shane...any one else is just stupid..unless he fights cotto, but if cotto fight margo again and wins they will sign a trilogy....so floyd has no choice but to face shane..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

    shane has fought to the level of his comp..and when he feels he's the great underdog he will turn it up...all those point u made can easily be turned against floyd..floyd hasn't fought a prime a+ fighter since he was at 135...

    hatton is good but's not a+ and mosely's competition easily trumps pbf. So while i won't be rooting for anything more than a good fight. I think shane wins...and shane beating margo forces pbf to stayed retired..because if comes out and fights anybody but shane, its clear that he doesn't want any part of him....sure he can come out and fight manny if he beats hatton, (which i think he wont) but manny is too small and doesnt have the skill to beat floyd...so im pulling for hatton to force floyd to fight shane...any one else is just stupid..unless he fights cotto, but if cotto fight margo again and wins they will sign a trilogy....so floyd has no choice but to face shane..
    Floyd has offered to fight Shane in the past, when he was younger.. Shane said his tooth was loose and didnt want the fight

    So your pathetic drivel is just that, Floyd would have happily fought Shane... Shane strated getting Ballsy with Floyd after he beat Oscar, thats why Floyd stuc kit to him and said he wasnt going to fight a sparring partner and a non draw, when he had Hatton in the wings...

    People were dogging Shane when he fought Vargas, saying he was slipping and big whoop he stopped him 2x..... So at the time Shane wasnt doing anything blockbuster.. Then people were talking shit that Floyd was calling out and picking on an Old Mosley..

    So give me a fing break about Floyd being FORCED to fight Shane, and when he comes out of retirement and beats Shane its retards like you who'll claim Shane was old, although people have been calling Shane old for about 6-7 years now

    Shane is one of my all time favorite fighters and I have never picked against him in his career, but no way does he beat Floyd, nor is Floyd afraid of Shane.. Tony was exposed for what he was, a face first iron chinned warrior with good stamina with no plan B... Shane was the guy with the perfect style to stop him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

    I agree on that seeing that is the version of Mosley today...The Mosley in his prime I think beats PBF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

    I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.
    The world is coming to an end.. I have agreed with you a few times over the past couple days

    People are getting all sentimental over Shanes win over Margarito... Margarito is very slow with probably the world shittiest defense.. Not saying he's not bad ass with his aggression and terminator like pressure and resolve.. Shane is a big Welter who was stronger than Margarito and 10x faster and fearless..

    Shane is there to be outboxed, his defeats were against skilled tacticians, Wright-Forrest and Cotto outboxed Mosley down the stretch.. Mayweather is the best boxer in the biz hands down and is technically lightyears ahead of Mosley.. Floyd would frustrate Shane use his footwork and defense to pick up a desicion.

    Shane is a hall of famer and a big fight competitor, but Mayweather is a bad matchup for him

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