So many so called PBF supporters have short memories

[JonesJrMayweather]

i think between JT rock, ICB, TM and myself among others that this guy has handily gotten rocked in this thread.

it's just funny how he speaks of the "old members" vouching for him, when it's the old members calling him an idiot.

See: delusional

When i said vouch for me i meant in the fact that I ve been saying since joining this forum that shane has the best chance to beat floyd and that any other fighter between 140 147 pbf would beat easily. shane is the only one that give him a serious test.

And most of the old members also thought that hatton would beat floyd...when i said floyd would easily beat him even before they fought. then before the fight came on here and picked floyd in 10....the same way most of the old members were screaming about margarito when i called him a bum that hadn't proven anything..then pick williams to beat him. and said that floyd would make him look like corrales.

And i'm only stating this about shane again, because just four years ago, when i said shane is the only that beat him (pbf) it still stands. evidenced by shane nearly beating cotto, and destroying who for a long time was this forums "he'll beat floyd guy" margarito. Guranteed if floyd signs to fight shane it will be one of the best fights in history and shane could very well kayo floyd or stop him late. And say this too since people get sensitive about these guys like they're being paid by them to be yes men...

Just because I say "SHANE HAS THE BEST SHOT, AND CAN POSSIBLY BEAT FLOYD, DOESN"T MEAN FLOYD CAN"T BEAT HIM",

i'm simply stating that in terms of mental ability, skills, and power. shane will be the best floyd has ever faced and vice versa. But i still would bet on shane....but would'nt be disappointed if either of them lost. can the PBF nut huggers say the same? I doubt it....

I love that you are defending Shane, and I'm 95% with you, but you gotta keep a little perspective. Taeth, once in a while, makes a good, intelligent point, and even though I said in another thread that Shane has the best chance to beat Floyd, that's a matter really up for debate. From a matchup point of view, Pac is actually the better bet because he's a southpaw with a great straight right and amazing speed. Mayweather/Pac is an awesome matchup to consider.

I've spend a lot of time arguing for Shane having a good chance against Floyd, but that good chance depends on Nazim come up with a plan that will allow Shane to maximize his advantages and take Floyd out of his game. It also depends to some degree on Floyd's willingness to follow the blueprint that has been laid out to beat Mosley...disrupt him with hard jabs. That's not how Floyd has been fighting recently, but in the past he has used the jab effectively. PBF has shown an amazing ability to adapt, and Shane hasn't. That being said, I've haven't seen Shane do much anything different since I've been watching him, and this weekend, he used the jab more, he was more elusive, and he used the clinch effectively. He was a smarter fighter, and maybe the change in trainer can have big effect.

For Shane to beat Floyd, he's going to need a plan that will allow him to land consistently AND avoid getting strafed by counters. He's going to need to fight differently than he has most of his career, and if Floyd can resurrect his best jab and really commit to it, I don't know if Mosley would be able to win anyway, but I also don't know if Floyd throwing crisp, snappy up-jabs from the shell will have the same effect on Mosley as Forrest, Winky, and Cotto throwing hard jabs from a conventional hand position. Even so, Floyd might be so good that he can beat Shane without the jab. This is Floyd Mayweather we're talking about.

I wouldn't favor Shane, but I can him winning. So if you put down $$$, you better be getting better than even money. Floyd is the favorite, no question. If the odds are 2 to 1, I'll think about laying a few bucks on Mosley. If the odds are 4 to 1, I'll be putting down a chunk of cash on him.

Man i think while pac is good he stands about as much of chance as beating floyd as hatton. He's too severely under schooled and floyd would stop him.

that fight is a star seller. But I think mosely makes for a better fight. and would do more for the winner in terms of legacy than either of them destroying manny. Manny has never seen the likes of a slick boxer like floyd. And has never felt the power of a boxer/puncher like shane either one of them stops him. Shane early, floyd late.

And personally i think hatton will beat him.

[JT Rock]

I think it was the 9th at 10th rounds with Hatton he through a beautiful sequence of Jabs that were picture perfect.. So when he has to he can still throw it..

I think he is so fast he can lead with power punches (Left Hook/Straight Right) instead of setting it up with the jab, even though he has a excellent one

[albsur2006]

I think it was the 9th at 10th rounds with Hatton he through a beautiful sequence of Jabs that were picture perfect.. So when he has to he can still throw it..

I think he is so fast he can lead with power punches (Left Hook/Straight Right) instead of setting it up with the jab, even though he has a excellent one

Yeah, it was the ninth round, and those were the type of P4P Jabs I was talking about earlier. Floyd has a great jab, better than Mosley's, when he uses it. Mosley basically has little head movement and is flat footed for the most part now. JonesJr can talk about all this stuff, he can talk about Mosley "breaking Floyd's ribs", which is absolutely idiotic; but I'm looking at the style of fighter Shane is when I compare the two. I see Shane being competitive but not being able to land as much as Jones Jr thinks he will. Floyd simply won't get hit a lot. It's not because of the competition he faced so far in his career, it's because of his style, talent and defense. There's a reason why great offensive fighters get in there with Floyd and aren't able to land ANYTHING significant and only land around 20% of their punches. It's because he confuses them with footwork/head movement and upper body speed, he dodges and blocks A LOT of punches, and he's probably the best counterpuncher in boxing. All those talents are HEAVILY underestimated. They aren't talents that are simple to see and understand like, for example, having blazing fast hands or KO power or something like that. Floyd has talents that make landing a clean shot on Floyd confusing and frustrating. And while his opponents are frustrated figuring out a way to find Floyd, he's counterpunching, resting, and focusing on his offense. JonesJr, it's easy to look at Shane who just knocked out Margarito and say he's a bad man. Shane IS a bad man. But Shane will have to get in there and find Floyd for 12 Rounds and he's got no head movement, he's flat footed for the most part, and has a lack of upper body movement at this point in his career. Plus, he gets square a lot of times now. He should have problems most of the night launching an offensive attack. You're thinking that Shane has fast hands and is a bigger/stronger man than Floyd and has a great chin so he should walk through Floyd. But if the fight ever happens, you'll see what I'm talking about.