So long, Dubya

[Master]

And I can never forgive Blair for joining in like a poodle.

[El Kabong]

And I can never forgive Blair for joining in like a poodle.

He had to, England started the problem to begin with....not with Saddam or WMDs but just with the Middle East in general

[X]

And I can never forgive Blair for joining in like a poodle.

He had to, England started the problem to begin with....not with Saddam or WMDs but just with the Middle East in general

Yes indeed ..... when the civilisation of Ur was conquered by the Hittites, then came the Babylonians, Assyrians, Scythians and Persians in one blood soaked conquest after another - when the Israelites invaded and conquered the Philistines and others and took their land, when the Arabs under Mohammad conquered the whole thing afterwards in one never-ending cycle of generational hatred etc etc etc etc.

That was All England's fault.

[El Kabong]

X the generational hatred isn't England's fault but the more modern POLITICAL issues are more from England's doing than the US.

[X]

Well, not in the last ten years or so (I wouldn't have thought), but certainly some of the problems before that are due to Britain redrawing maps. But that is only an interim - that region has been fighting since the dawn of man and don't let them blame anyone else for it.

I'd agree that historically, Britain - not just England - has quite a bit to answer for. That is just the way history works. I like to blame the English though

Your grandchildren will be feeling remorse and (unfair) guilt for America's role in their current problems. Like it or not, call it what you like, America is today's world Empire.

I'm sure there was some Babylonian getting shit from an Israelite in about 65BC ...... history repeats itself through endless cycles because we are too stupid to change our base behaviours despite seeing it all before.

[El Kabong]

Well my dear X, if they have been fighting so damn long and for every reason under the sun then get off our backs about fighting them, they obviously have a culture built on conflict, we're just obliging them

[Kirkland Laing]

Well my dear X, if they have been fighting so damn long and for every reason under the sun then get off our backs about fighting them, they obviously have a culture built on conflict, we're just obliging them

Europe was fighting wars pretty much nonstop up to 50 years ago, during which time there's been similar peace in the Middle East. America has racked up over 80 foreign interventions since WW2. The problems there started when vast quantities of oil was discovered there. The Brits just happened to be the world's superpower at that time and most in need of that oil. If it'd been discovered 50 years later the US would have total authorship of the recent problems there.

[X]

Well my dear X, if they have been fighting so damn long and for every reason under the sun then get off our backs about fighting them, they obviously have a culture built on conflict, we're just obliging them

I'm not on anyone's back about fighting them.

I am an ex-soldier and don't oppose wars as a matter of principle. The Brotish Army is fighting side by side with the US and we bury our boys every day, just like you do.

I started this thread saying George W Bush is an idiot. I still think so. I will always think so.

[Trainer Monkey]

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