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What flavor of the month? Caballero has been beating quality opposition since 2005. His resume easily trumps that of Haye. Kessler, Guzman and Lopez. He's worthy of his placement.
Molitor I really like him as a tactician, but he would fold up and be blown in the wind by JML, Vazquez and Marquez.? Overrated super slow Ponce De Leon? Both PDL and Andrade fought Caballero and JML, Caballero beat Ponce De Leon over 12 rounds and Andrade was losing and was DQ'ed in 10, JML beat them in a combined 1 round.

Joan Guzman doens't have the quality opponents yet, but he is clearly better.

Kessler has Mundine and Calzaghe which is better than anything Caballero has fought. Not to mention Beyer, Eric Lucas, Andrade, and once again he is clearly better, giving Calzaghe one hell of a fight where he was just being outworked, but landing huge shots and hurting Calzaghe several times.

Haye beats him with Mormeck, Glen Kelly, Enzo Maccarinelli, even Monte Barrett is better name.

Clearly Jermain Taylor, Kessler, Wlad Klitschko, Especially Winky Wright despite his inactivity deserve the position more.

I mean Jermain Taylor was KO'ed once, but besides that lost a close fight to Pavlik, had two close fights with Hopkins, beat Ouma, destroyed Lacy.
You need to really follow Boxing to really appreciate Caballero. Aside from De Leon and Molitor, Caballero also holds wins over Somsak Sithchatsomething (who was like 40-1 coming into the fight), the excellent Lorenzo Parra and the fading Mauricio Pastrana. Easily better than some of the fighters you listed.

Joan Guzman- You said it yourself. Doesn't have the quality opponents. He's very skilled. But so are Gamboa, Con and several other fighters. Why not list them?

David Haye- He has Mormeck. That's it. Enzo is crap. Glenn Kelly (are you fukking kidding me?) is beyound crap. Monte Barrett can't win a big fight if his life depended on it.

Mikkel Kessler- He's got some decent wins. But his career is going backwards. Him punking out against Miranda was a straight coward move.

Winky Wright- He ain't won a fight in almost 3 years. He's inactivity is killing him. But a win over Williams erases all that.

Jermain Taylor- I wouldn't have a problem if he's rated above Caballero. His resume is outstanding.
JT, Winky, and Kessler should not be p4p. We aren't talking p4p of the last five years, but current p4p. JT is 1-2 in his last three fights and his win is against Jeff Lacy. Winky hasn't fought in two years and his last fight was a loss against Hopkins. Kessler hasn't fought quality competition in over a year and that was a loss against Calzaghe.

David Haye hasn't done anything to merit a p4p ranking.