Attenborough seeks to prove evolution

[Scrap]

They say it took 3,000,000 years to evolve to its present form. Now thats interesting.

[El Kabong]

They say it took 3,000,000 years to evolve to its present form. Now thats interesting.

What can I say, I use the microwave (without the door closed) a ton and I'm just plain faster than everyone else

[Kev]

Attenborough was interviewed today and I think the purpose of the documentary was revealed. Creationism is on the rise in America and has been for many years now, and is seemingly growing over here.

It's a propoganda piece in reality, a nice opportunity to present for humanists to present their evolution as fact under the guise of science.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Attenborough on Darwin and creationism

[CGM]

I'd say intelligent design is on the rise. I'm not so sure about "traditional" creationism.

[sonny78]

Attenborough was interviewed today and I think the purpose of the documentary was revealed. Creationism is on the rise in America and has been for many years now, and is seemingly growing over here.

It's a propoganda piece in reality, a nice opportunity to present for humanists to present their evolution as fact under the guise of science.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Attenborough on Darwin and creationism

What do you mean under the guise of science, evolution is science, it is a theory that has been scrutinised and tested by scientist for years and years, the latest technology is used to keep testing and scrutinising. The theory can change and evolve as we learn more some will agree and some will disagree but evidence it brought forward and questioned

Unlike religion that says here are all the answers are placed in one book and if you question any of them or you will burn in hell

Do you honestly believe they should teach Noah's ark in science class ?

[Scrap]

Interestingly, scientist delve in fact, to my cost I know this. I new or thought I knew a scientific Fact that would bring sport forward, the test over ten years have been stringent to say the least and cost a small fortune. Nothing today gets through unless its fact, and thats a FACT

[X]

Evolution has been very conclusively proven, even more so with the recent advances in genetic technology. I think that knocks creationism on the head pretty well ...... but people can and will believe in what they want (there are creation myths in every culture and many people do believe them.)

Good luck to them.

Shame on them for trying to teach a belief as fact in schools though.

Intelligent design seems to just be a prevaricating response to the disproving of the creation myth though? Isn't it just a convenient twisting of belief to fit around or avoid facts?

People get really het up about all this stuff though -so no offence to anyone who is either a scientific or religious fanatic out there.

Incidentally, I went to the same school as Charles Darwin - not a lot of people know that.

[X]

Science flies you to the moon.

Religion flies you into buildings.

[Kirkland Laing]

Attenborough was interviewed today and I think the purpose of the documentary was revealed. Creationism is on the rise in America and has been for many years now, and is seemingly growing over here.

It's a propoganda piece in reality, a nice opportunity to present for humanists to present their evolution as fact under the guise of science.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Attenborough on Darwin and creationism

It's Darwin's bicentenary. That's why the programme got made.

Why do you have an appendix?

[Kirkland Laing]

KANSAS CITY, KS (KL News Service)— As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."





Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.





According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.





The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."





"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.





Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.





"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling."





Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture.





"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."
"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"





Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.





"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus."

Somebody sent me this, I didn't come up with it myself.

[Kirkland Laing]

BBC iPlayer - Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life

This is the programme. Can people not in Britain watch this or download it?

[Fenster]

BBC iPlayer - Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life

This is the programme. Can people not in Britain watch this or download it?

Nice one. That was worth the watch.

The last 10mins, when he explained how everything came to be, makes it understandable why people like Bilbo get bothered by these programs.

I wonder how many years it will be - after we are long dead - that that program will be viewed as totally dated?

[Scrap]

Fuck me, What Ive been working on the last ten years has been a waste of time. According to that. Has Nassa been informed

[Scrap]

Kirkland, they only touched on some of the findings on the show it was information what was known ten years ago. They know more now as regards Human anatomy and Gravity as regards exercise. Plus teyve found practicaly all the missing Links.

[Kev]

KANSAS CITY, KS (KL News Service)— As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."





Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.





According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.





The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."





"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.





Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.





"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling."





Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture.





"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."
"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"





Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.





"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus."

Somebody sent me this, I didn't come up with it myself.

haha it's pretty funny but is actually the kind of thing the media would like people to think creationists actually believe. Probably half the people reading that wouldn't even realise it was a joke as proponents of intelligent design get lampooned so much in the media.

As for having an appendix, the idea that it is merely vestigial and useless has long since been discredited. It is part of the immune system and is active during pregnancy and the development of a featus. It's not a useless organ at all.

Also if none of our body parts should exist unless they are vital for life then explain to me why men have nipples?

When in our evolutionary past do you suppose that men were involved in suckling their young? I presume you must do as we have them and they are clearly vestigial as they serve no purpose in males. Yet no scientists believes that men used to suckle their young it's a silly idea, but becuase we have a coccyx it's used as evidence we once had a tail?

Nine mucscles attach to the coccyx it is a neccessary part of the human body.

These pieces of observational evidence are just ridiculous, a platypus has a duck's bill so it must have once been a bird right? What about a chameleon, they have hands that can grasp like ours, must be a relation right?

These bogus evolutionary pieces you put up just highlight a few chosen examples and ignore the rest. There are no vestigial organs in the human body, it's just an attempt by evolutionists to look for evidence to support evolution.

If gradual transitional evolution over millions of years actually occured the amount in vestigial and transitional organs and appendices in nature would be overwhelming. Likewise if random mutation within the DNA copying process led to new species of animals being created and creatures evolving into other things then both the fossil record and the modern world would be full of millions of examples.

They wouldn't need to find a prehistoric bird that had teeth and trump that as their best and pretty much only proof of a transitional fossil.