Attenborough seeks to prove evolution

[Kev]

Attenborough was interviewed today and I think the purpose of the documentary was revealed. Creationism is on the rise in America and has been for many years now, and is seemingly growing over here.

It's a propoganda piece in reality, a nice opportunity to present for humanists to present their evolution as fact under the guise of science.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Attenborough on Darwin and creationism

[CGM]

I'd say intelligent design is on the rise. I'm not so sure about "traditional" creationism.

[sonny78]

Attenborough was interviewed today and I think the purpose of the documentary was revealed. Creationism is on the rise in America and has been for many years now, and is seemingly growing over here.

It's a propoganda piece in reality, a nice opportunity to present for humanists to present their evolution as fact under the guise of science.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Attenborough on Darwin and creationism

What do you mean under the guise of science, evolution is science, it is a theory that has been scrutinised and tested by scientist for years and years, the latest technology is used to keep testing and scrutinising. The theory can change and evolve as we learn more some will agree and some will disagree but evidence it brought forward and questioned

Unlike religion that says here are all the answers are placed in one book and if you question any of them or you will burn in hell

Do you honestly believe they should teach Noah's ark in science class ?

[Scrap]

Interestingly, scientist delve in fact, to my cost I know this. I new or thought I knew a scientific Fact that would bring sport forward, the test over ten years have been stringent to say the least and cost a small fortune. Nothing today gets through unless its fact, and thats a FACT

[X]

Evolution has been very conclusively proven, even more so with the recent advances in genetic technology. I think that knocks creationism on the head pretty well ...... but people can and will believe in what they want (there are creation myths in every culture and many people do believe them.)

Good luck to them.

Shame on them for trying to teach a belief as fact in schools though.

Intelligent design seems to just be a prevaricating response to the disproving of the creation myth though? Isn't it just a convenient twisting of belief to fit around or avoid facts?

People get really het up about all this stuff though -so no offence to anyone who is either a scientific or religious fanatic out there.

Incidentally, I went to the same school as Charles Darwin - not a lot of people know that.

[X]

Science flies you to the moon.

Religion flies you into buildings.

[Scrap]

X I bet Charles Darwin doesnt know that

[Kirkland Laing]

Attenborough was interviewed today and I think the purpose of the documentary was revealed. Creationism is on the rise in America and has been for many years now, and is seemingly growing over here.

It's a propoganda piece in reality, a nice opportunity to present for humanists to present their evolution as fact under the guise of science.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Attenborough on Darwin and creationism

It's Darwin's bicentenary. That's why the programme got made.

Why do you have an appendix?

[Kirkland Laing]

KANSAS CITY, KS (KL News Service)— As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."





Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.





According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.





The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."





"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.





Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.





"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling."





Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture.





"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."
"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"





Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.





"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus."

Somebody sent me this, I didn't come up with it myself.

[Kirkland Laing]

BBC iPlayer - Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life

This is the programme. Can people not in Britain watch this or download it?

[Fenster]

BBC iPlayer - Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life

This is the programme. Can people not in Britain watch this or download it?

Nice one. That was worth the watch.

The last 10mins, when he explained how everything came to be, makes it understandable why people like Bilbo get bothered by these programs.

I wonder how many years it will be - after we are long dead - that that program will be viewed as totally dated?

[Kev]

BBC iPlayer - Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life

This is the programme. Can people not in Britain watch this or download it?

Nice one. That was worth the watch.

The last 10mins, when he explained how everything came to be, makes it understandable why people like Bilbo get bothered by these programs.

I wonder how many years it will be - after we are long dead - that that program will be viewed as totally dated?

I've not watched it yet Fenster, what happened in the last 10 minutes?

[Kev]

BBC iPlayer - Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life

This is the programme. Can people not in Britain watch this or download it?

Nice one. That was worth the watch.

The last 10mins, when he explained how everything came to be, makes it understandable why people like Bilbo get bothered by these programs.

I wonder how many years it will be - after we are long dead - that that program will be viewed as totally dated?

I just watched the last 10 mins now and you are right mate, I don't really like it all. The elements of evolutionary theory such as natural selection, speciation and the idea that animals change and adapt over time are indeed proven beyond doubt, and actually essential to creationist theory as well.

But the jump to macro evolution, and the wonderful story told in the last 10 minutes is sheer conjecture and mythology, not based on any empirical evidence.

An organism is basically like a computer program. The DNA within it allows for great variation and change within an organism, size, shape, colour, behaviour for example can all be modified to suit the enviroment just as Microsoft Windows can be personalised, user defined backgrounds, wallpaper, sounds, font sizes, disability features, the addition or removal of programs for example. You can taylor Windows to suit your needs and preferences but it will always be Windows, it cannot become Linux, or the latest GTA game as the coding required for that simply isn't containted within the windows program.

This is EXACTLY like life on this planet. A creature cannot do anything or evolve anything that wasn't already coded within its DNA to begin with. There is not a shred of factual evidence or a known hypothesis to substantiate this claim that entirely new information, like the instructions to build a wing can be added to the DNA of a dog for example over time.

So although all the ideas presented regarding evolution, natural selection, adaptation, the survival of the fittest etc are all excellent observations and have been documented to be true, this leap of faith into life spontaneously appearing 3.8 billion years ago and then evolving over millions of years into all the diversity of life we have today is just a belief system, a religious story and that's what I object to.

It's a religion that elevates nature to the level of a deity and fundamentally alters how we perceive our place on this world. I certainly don't say people arn't welcome to that belief and that it shouldn't be taught, by I really hate the way they can just indoctrinate like Attenborough did in the those last 10 minutes with his wonderful humanist creation story.

It was no different to presenting the Biblical story as fact, with Adam and Eve, the expulsion from the Garden, the coming flood, the rebuild, Tower of Babel, the dispersion of man over the whole earth, the creation of the state of Israel, the reign of Judges and Kings, the warnings of the prophets and the prediction of the Messiah, the exile into Babylon and the rebuilding of the temple etc. All wondeful stuff, but a faith based story nonetheless and so not presented on television as matters of historical fact.

Yet the humanists can present their own 'creation' myth with the full endorsment of science and thus as real truth.

People watch it and assume it's just the way things happened and that's indoctrination and mind control imo.

The alternatives and all the problems with evolutionary theory, the total lack of transitional fossils, the problem of polystrate fossils, the abscence of any method of getting new information in an organisms DNA via mutation or any other means etc just don't get discussed.

Ah well never mind, as you said yourself in 50 years they will be telling another story and they will use the fact that their story has changed completely as powerful evidence that science is constantly updating its methods and discoveries and therefore 'reliable and to be trusted'

[Scrap]

Fuck me, What Ive been working on the last ten years has been a waste of time. According to that. Has Nassa been informed

[Scrap]

Kirkland, they only touched on some of the findings on the show it was information what was known ten years ago. They know more now as regards Human anatomy and Gravity as regards exercise. Plus teyve found practicaly all the missing Links.