Jermain Taylor v. Allan Green

[Tam Seddon]

what is the justification of not fighting Froch? Froch is the champion not Taylor and I think hes forgetting that. Why cant they just fight I really dont understand

[Kirkland Laing]

what is the justification of not fighting Froch? Froch is the champion not Taylor and I think hes forgetting that. Why cant they just fight I really dont understand

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[Tam Seddon]

what a coward!

[blegit]

Its amazing how people say Taylor is avoiding Froch when Taylor went to Froch with the fight. Where are you getting this from. The fight isn't happening at this time because HBO wouldn't put up the money. Negotiations were going good between the fighters and then HBO nixed it. They don't believe it will produce the draw they are looking for. At least not yet. Froch is not a draw and Taylor is so more blame is on Froch. Allan Green is easily more of a draw even if you think Froch is better. I personally think Froch should be fighting guys like Green, Ward, Direll, etc to get the drawing power to back up his fight demands. American interest is necessary. Boxing is more business than fighting. There are so many people who have to be satisfied in order for a fight to be signed that it is ignorant to just claim two fighters should fight. With Taylor/Green I think it is nice for Green to step it up but I don't think he has picked the right opponent to propel himself to the next level. But he will get his sizable check as a consolation.

[Clanger]

The British have always totally dominated the Super Middleweight division.

Calzaghe, Reid, Benn, Eubank and now Froch.

Dibella has admitted that Lacy was an easier fight than Froch - they know he is a hard bastard and will throw the sink at fragile Taylor.

No Taylor = No income for Dibella !

[Rantcatrat]

Taylor brings in money regardless of who he fights. Froch doesn't. Froch needs the exposure. Froch should travel to the US to fight the Allan Green's/Andre Ward's of the 68' division for less money and build his franchise. He shouldn't follow in the footsteps of Calzaghe and wait until the twilight of his career to do it. Do it now. Prove himself on the world stage.

[Fenster]

Taylor brings in money regardless of who he fights. Froch doesn't. Froch needs the exposure. Froch should travel to the US to fight the Allan Green's/Andre Ward's of the 68' division for less money and build his franchise. He shouldn't follow in the footsteps of Calzaghe and wait until the twilight of his career to do it. Do it now. Prove himself on the world stage.

Froch, the WBC champion, should travel to America to fight these Americans because .. err.. why exactly?

Green and Ward have won NOTHING. Shouldn't THEY be travelling to Britain in the hope of getting a shot at Froch?

It seems like one rule for AMERICAN fighters another for the rest

[BlackRazor]

The British have always totally dominated the Super Middleweight division.

Calzaghe, Reid, Benn, Eubank and now Froch.

Dibella has admitted that Lacy was an easier fight than Froch - they know he is a hard bastard and will throw the sink at fragile Taylor.

No Taylor = No income for Dibella !

Yeah, that's a pretty strong list. For some reason, a lot of good/great Europeons @ 168.

Also have Sven Ottke, Markus Beyer, Kessler, Veit, Catley

[Wayne]

The British have always totally dominated the Super Middleweight division.

Calzaghe, Reid, Benn, Eubank and now Froch.

Dibella has admitted that Lacy was an easier fight than Froch - they know he is a hard bastard and will throw the sink at fragile Taylor.

No Taylor = No income for Dibella !

Yes, because the super middle weight division has existed a really long time and guys like James Toney and Roy Jones Jr don't exist.

[eagle]

what is the justification of not fighting Froch? Froch is the champion not Taylor and I think hes forgetting that. Why cant they just fight I really dont understand

There is a difference between being a champion and being a belt holder. Froch won that belt by default. Dam he still hasnt even fought a top ten guy. He did not beat a champ. He doesnt deserve it.

[CFH]

what is the justification of not fighting Froch? Froch is the champion not Taylor and I think hes forgetting that. Why cant they just fight I really dont understand

There is a difference between being a champion and being a belt holder. Froch won that belt by default. Dam he still hasnt even fought a top ten guy. He did not beat a champ. He doesnt deserve it.

I couldn't agree more. Even Allan Green is better than anyone Froch has fought. Hell, he might even be better than Froch (I don't actually think he is, but Froch certainly hasn't proven otherwise).

[Tam Seddon]

what is the justification of not fighting Froch? Froch is the champion not Taylor and I think hes forgetting that. Why cant they just fight I really dont understand

There is a difference between being a champion and being a belt holder. Froch won that belt by default. Dam he still hasnt even fought a top ten guy. He did not beat a champ. He doesnt deserve it.

I couldn't agree more. Even Allan Green is better than anyone Froch has fought. Hell, he might even be better than Froch (I don't actually think he is, but Froch certainly hasn't proven otherwise).

well its hard for carl to fight top 10 fighters when they keep on being pussies and not wanting to fight him. Pascal IMO was in the top 10 at 168, carl did the business on him and he wants the big names. They dont want him though

[Rantcatrat]

There is a difference between being a champion and being a belt holder. Froch won that belt by default. Dam he still hasnt even fought a top ten guy. He did not beat a champ. He doesnt deserve it.

I couldn't agree more. Even Allan Green is better than anyone Froch has fought. Hell, he might even be better than Froch (I don't actually think he is, but Froch certainly hasn't proven otherwise).

well its hard for carl to fight top 10 fighters when they keep on being pussies and not wanting to fight him. Pascal IMO was in the top 10 at 168, carl did the business on him and he wants the big names. They dont want him though

Tom, I respect that you are a fan of Froch's, but if he really wanted to fight top ten fighters - he would fight top ten fighters for less money and in unfriendly environments, like the US or Canada. Has he ever even fought outside of Nottingham? Let alone the UK? Has he ever accepted the raw end of the stick to get a bigger fight?

For a good example, look to Timothy Bradley. No one outside of California had even heard of Tim Bradley. What did Tim Bradley do? He flew to London to fight a top five junior welter weight (Junior Witter) for low pay. Now he is a top contender who everyone is forced to pay attention to at junior welterweight.

With that being said, it looks like the Taylor fight is happening after all, and Froch is actually taking the lower pay and unfriendly environment:

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Froch close to Taylor bout

Good move Froch. Win or lose, he gains a ton in notoriety.

I may have to eat my words

[Fenster]

I couldn't agree more. Even Allan Green is better than anyone Froch has fought. Hell, he might even be better than Froch (I don't actually think he is, but Froch certainly hasn't proven otherwise).

well its hard for carl to fight top 10 fighters when they keep on being pussies and not wanting to fight him. Pascal IMO was in the top 10 at 168, carl did the business on him and he wants the big names. They dont want him though

Tom, I respect that you are a fan of Froch's, but if he really wanted to fight top ten fighters - he would fight top ten fighters for less money and in unfriendly environments, like the US or Canada. Has he ever even fought outside of Nottingham? Let alone the UK? Has he ever accepted the raw end of the stick to get a bigger fight?

For a good example, look to Timothy Bradley. No one outside of California had even heard of Tim Bradley. What did Tim Bradley do? He flew to London to fight a top five junior welter weight (Junior Witter) for low pay. Now he is a top contender who everyone is forced to pay attention to at junior welterweight.

With that being said, it looks like the Taylor fight is happening after all, and Froch is actually taking the lower pay and unfriendly environment:

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Froch close to Taylor bout

Good move Froch. Win or lose, he gains a ton in notoriety.

I may have to eat my words

Froch has fought in America before.

Tim Bradley was the number one contender to Witter's WBC title. It's understandable he travelled.

Carl Froch is the champion, Taylor the challenger, yet Froch is still willing to travel to make the fight.

Taylor has never fought outside the states. He would rather NOT fight the champion than travel.

Froch's crime is clearly being a NON American based fighter.

[Rantcatrat]

well its hard for carl to fight top 10 fighters when they keep on being pussies and not wanting to fight him. Pascal IMO was in the top 10 at 168, carl did the business on him and he wants the big names. They dont want him though

Tom, I respect that you are a fan of Froch's, but if he really wanted to fight top ten fighters - he would fight top ten fighters for less money and in unfriendly environments, like the US or Canada. Has he ever even fought outside of Nottingham? Let alone the UK? Has he ever accepted the raw end of the stick to get a bigger fight?

For a good example, look to Timothy Bradley. No one outside of California had even heard of Tim Bradley. What did Tim Bradley do? He flew to London to fight a top five junior welter weight (Junior Witter) for low pay. Now he is a top contender who everyone is forced to pay attention to at junior welterweight.

With that being said, it looks like the Taylor fight is happening after all, and Froch is actually taking the lower pay and unfriendly environment:

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Froch close to Taylor bout

Good move Froch. Win or lose, he gains a ton in notoriety.

I may have to eat my words

Froch has fought in America before.

Tim Bradley was the number one contender to Witter's WBC title. It's understandable he travelled.

Carl Froch is the champion, Taylor the challenger, yet Froch is still willing to travel to make the fight.

Taylor has never fought outside the states. He would rather NOT fight the champion than travel.

Froch's crime is clearly being a NON American based fighter.

We can agree to disagree.

Basically, it comes down to name recognition and notoriety versus having a belt (which I may add, was not taken from a champion, but won after it was vacated). You feel the belt should compel fighters to travel to you; I feel name recognition and notoriety are more important (At least given that the belt was just recently won and it was a belt vacated, not taken from a champion).

Take the current Calzaghe situation. Presently, he has people lined up to travel to Wales (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, and Bernard Hopkins have offered to travel there), let alone the UK, to fight him after he thoroughly dominated Roy Jones and beat Bernard Hopkins in the US. Because he has name recognition. Speaking of Calzaghe, why hasn't he fought Froch? Because even with a belt who the Froch is Froch?

However, my point wasn't Froch's need to travel outside the UK. Winning in fights outside your home country may be overrated. Froch can fight in the UK, without any criticism, as long as he has the draw and the leverage to compel big-names and worthy challengers to travel to the UK to fight him. More power to him if he can be a champion and compel everyone to come to him.

Would I expect him to travel to the US for an Allan Green or an Andre Ward fight? No way. Like you said he has the belt. But, in terms of notoriety, Jermain Taylor ain't no Allan Green or Andre Ward.

I don't think Froch's status as a NON american is the reason he has to travel. It is a lack of name recognition.