Bilbo

[AdamGB]

Miles, you're not even in the real world yet. Seriously man, you just don't get it yet. Trust me. Someday you'll be there. And then you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I think I know exactly what you are talking about. Thats why Im taking the effort to become so qualified in the area that I work. The good thing is that ESL is a growth industry and there will always be work.

If I was staying at home in the UK complaining then you might have a point. But Im not, and Im away from home finding work easily enough.

My point was that, if you looked for some work, no matter what. Then you might find some. It might be "beneath" you but it would be an income. You are obviously qualified, Im just telling you that you can easily find work, if you wanted it.

It's not a case of jobs being beneath you or not looking.

I can tell you from personal experience that if a 16 year old with no qualifications or somebody in there mid 20s with qualifications/experience and aspirations go for a low paid job in somewhere like McDonalds they will give it to the 16 year old because he is less likely to fuck off after 3 months when a real job comes up and use the place as a stop gap.

Shit jobs still have just as much competition, more in someways and because basically anybody can do them you'll find that your qualifications/experience count for shit whereas your situation does

[Gandalf]

Miles, you're not even in the real world yet. Seriously man, you just don't get it yet. Trust me. Someday you'll be there. And then you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I think I know exactly what you are talking about. Thats why Im taking the effort to become so qualified in the area that I work. The good thing is that ESL is a growth industry and there will always be work.

If I was staying at home in the UK complaining then you might have a point. But Im not, and Im away from home finding work easily enough.

My point was that, if you looked for some work, no matter what. Then you might find some. It might be "beneath" you but it would be an income. You are obviously qualified, Im just telling you that you can easily find work, if you wanted it.

It's not a case of jobs being beneath you or not looking.

I can tell you from personal experience that if a 16 year old with no qualifications or somebody in there mid 20s with qualifications/experience and aspirations go for a low paid job in somewhere like McDonalds they will give it to the 16 year old because he is less likely to fuck off after 3 months when a real job comes up and use the place as a stop gap.

Shit jobs still have just as much competition, more in someways and because basically anybody can do them you'll find that your qualifications/experience count for shit whereas your situation does

The UK sounds like a crapshoot. But if the UK is so crap then you have got to leave. Leave it and find a better job.

Ive never had a decent job in the UK.

[Kev]

I think I know exactly what you are talking about. Thats why Im taking the effort to become so qualified in the area that I work. The good thing is that ESL is a growth industry and there will always be work.

If I was staying at home in the UK complaining then you might have a point. But Im not, and Im away from home finding work easily enough.

My point was that, if you looked for some work, no matter what. Then you might find some. It might be "beneath" you but it would be an income. You are obviously qualified, Im just telling you that you can easily find work, if you wanted it.

It's not a case of jobs being beneath you or not looking.

I can tell you from personal experience that if a 16 year old with no qualifications or somebody in there mid 20s with qualifications/experience and aspirations go for a low paid job in somewhere like McDonalds they will give it to the 16 year old because he is less likely to fuck off after 3 months when a real job comes up and use the place as a stop gap.

Shit jobs still have just as much competition, more in someways and because basically anybody can do them you'll find that your qualifications/experience count for shit whereas your situation does

The UK sounds like a crapshoot. But if the UK is so crap then you have got to leave. Leave it and find a better job.

Ive never had a decent job in the UK.

I don't think its reasonable to expect everyone who can't find work to move to Korea Miles.At the end of the day I think it's fair enought that people want to find work in their own country.

If somebody is actively seeking work and is qualified and willing to work but still not getting work it's as much a failure of the government, companies, economic climate etc as it is that person.

Plus as Von is educated to a high standard with a degree and serious work experience he has every right to want to get a job with career prospects and a good salary. I don't see McDonald's as a fair option for someone who is obviously skilled and has experience that can be put to use at a much higher level.

[Gandalf]

It's not a case of jobs being beneath you or not looking.

I can tell you from personal experience that if a 16 year old with no qualifications or somebody in there mid 20s with qualifications/experience and aspirations go for a low paid job in somewhere like McDonalds they will give it to the 16 year old because he is less likely to fuck off after 3 months when a real job comes up and use the place as a stop gap.

Shit jobs still have just as much competition, more in someways and because basically anybody can do them you'll find that your qualifications/experience count for shit whereas your situation does

The UK sounds like a crapshoot. But if the UK is so crap then you have got to leave. Leave it and find a better job.

Ive never had a decent job in the UK.

I don't think its reasonable to expect everyone who can't find work to move to Korea Miles.At the end of the day I think it's fair enought that people want to find work in their own country.

If somebody is actively seeking work and is qualified and willing to work but still not getting work it's as much a failure of the government, companies, economic climate etc as it is that person.

Plus as Von is educated to a high standard with a degree and serious work experience he has every right to want to get a job with career prospects and a good salary. I don't see McDonald's as a fair option for someone who is obviously skilled and has experience that can be put to use at a much higher level.

I wouldnt advise everyone to come to Korea. No way. But educated people shouldnt feel trapped in the UK. Its a pretty miserable little place, I would advise the few educated types to think about their life direction.

The UK is going nowhere special.

[AdamGB]

The UK sounds like a crapshoot. But if the UK is so crap then you have got to leave. Leave it and find a better job.

Ive never had a decent job in the UK.

I don't think its reasonable to expect everyone who can't find work to move to Korea Miles.At the end of the day I think it's fair enought that people want to find work in their own country.

If somebody is actively seeking work and is qualified and willing to work but still not getting work it's as much a failure of the government, companies, economic climate etc as it is that person.

Plus as Von is educated to a high standard with a degree and serious work experience he has every right to want to get a job with career prospects and a good salary. I don't see McDonald's as a fair option for someone who is obviously skilled and has experience that can be put to use at a much higher level.

I wouldnt advise everyone to come to Korea. No way. But educated people shouldnt feel trapped in the UK. Its a pretty miserable little place, I would advise the few educated types to think about their life direction.

The UK is going nowhere special.

Most of us don't find it that easy to simply cut friends and family out of our lives like that.

[Gandalf]

I don't think its reasonable to expect everyone who can't find work to move to Korea Miles.At the end of the day I think it's fair enought that people want to find work in their own country.

If somebody is actively seeking work and is qualified and willing to work but still not getting work it's as much a failure of the government, companies, economic climate etc as it is that person.

Plus as Von is educated to a high standard with a degree and serious work experience he has every right to want to get a job with career prospects and a good salary. I don't see McDonald's as a fair option for someone who is obviously skilled and has experience that can be put to use at a much higher level.

I wouldnt advise everyone to come to Korea. No way. But educated people shouldnt feel trapped in the UK. Its a pretty miserable little place, I would advise the few educated types to think about their life direction.

The UK is going nowhere special.

Most of us don't find it that easy to simply cut friends and family out of our lives like that.

Me neither actually. I signed up as a last minute thing and I was at the airport with my mum. I told her I wanted to stay home, but she was clear: You should go, we are not here for nothing! My mum gave me an unusual hug and I was forced to depart. I live a weird life, I wouldnt say it was fun or anything.

[X]

A Welshman, Dai Davies, inadvertently goes into a gay bar for a beer. He sits at the bar supping his pint when one gay gentleman decides to chance his luck.

He approaches Dai and whispers something into his ear, whereupon the Welshamn turns around in complete disgust and horror and proceeds to punch the living fuck out of the homosexual, fist after fist punching him out the door, kicking him across the pub car park, relentlessly punching and kicking until the victim lay comatose. Dai then dusts himself down and calmly returned to his pint at the bar, whilst the horrified staff and clientèle stood silent and motionless.

Eventually, the barman plucks up the courage to ask what had happened:

Barman: "Bloody hell mate. What on earth did he whisper to you?"

Dai: "Dunno, something about a 'job'."

[AdamGB]

For the majority of people it's not that simple Miles. I'm glad that you've been able to do that and it's working out but what's worked for you won't necessarily work for others... The majority of us can't just emigrate.

[Gandalf]

For the majority of people it's not that simple Miles. I'm glad that you've been able to do that and it's working out but what's worked for you won't necessarily work for others... The majority of us can't just emigrate.

The BBC has been reporting how European nationals are getting jobs over British people in the UK.

That kind of story just sounds bizarre to me. I have been gone a long time, but that just sounds odd.

[X]

It's not true.

An Italian company won a contract fair and square, there were some foreign workers who had to come over as they had scarce skills that were not quickly obtainable in the UK (ie everyone who could do this in the UK already had a job).

It was not financially viable to train up locals to do it.

They then advertised for some other positions in local and national UK press, didn't get any responses or decent candidates ..... so they advertised overseas and brought those guys in.

The unions are kicking up a fuss because they are saying the foreigners are coming in for less money (which, incidentally under the Laval ruling is legal anyway), which they were not. The comp-amny is spending a forune bringing in these people because they could not get anyone in East Anglia .... which is not that surprising really.

Don;t for a minute believe the shit we are being told on the news. I sometimes wonder if reportrrs have a secret mission statement to twist things around in the way most guaranteed to make the viewer feel annoyed, outraged and frightened.