barrera vs khan

[JazMerkin]

Barrera might not be Prescott but imo he'd hit alot harder than Gomez and Limmond, I think Barrera will win by stoppage rd1-5

Not sure about Michael Gomez, who could pack a decent punch, but definitely harder than Limond. However, I don't see Barrera as a big puncher at least not at 135 & not anymore. His last knockout was against a guy who had been knocked in 3 of his previous 4 fights, & each time quicker than MAB would eventually drop him for. Prior to that you have to go back to 2005 to find his last KO against Fana. Even this last weekend he got taken to the 3rd round by a guy with a 1-7-1 record, can you imagine how embarassin that would have been for the MAB of old. I would be certain that the pre-2005 Barrera demolishes Khan, even at Lightweight, but I just think he is no longer the fighter he was. In truth I don't want to see another former great & hero of mine getting demolished, so I'm hoping he's still got it although a Khan win would be better for boxing in the mainstream so I may back him on fight night. I think Khan by 9th Round TKO.

MAB in his prime was taken to the 4th round by a 2-1 fighter Cesar Najera, who was his sparring partner believe it or not. As Fenster said it means nothing he was trying to get some rounds in thats it. And i wouldn't say MAB doesn't have power anymore, he stopped himself getting KO'ed against JMM by turning the fight around with one punch.

He also stunned Manny Pacquiao a few times i thought aswell. And to be fair who at the moment would be able to stop tough fighters like JMM, Manny Pacquiao, Rocky Juarez ?

And lastly you mentioned Michael Gomez he was a Super Featherweight for most of his career. He fought Amir Khan at Lightweight which is a big difference.

And Michael Gomez isn't that big of a puncher, he has some pop but he is certainly nowhere near a world class puncher. And Willie Limond only has 8 stoppage wins out of 30 wins, and half of those stoppage wins were against fighters with losing records. Yet he had Amir Khan on queer street.

I am aware that Gomez has pretty much always fought at 130, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he does & has generally always had good 1 punch power, whilst IMO Barrera hasn't demonstrated world class power above 126. True about the JMM punch, I'd forgotten about that but it was never a situation where I thought JMM would get stopped. Can't say I ever thought he did anything to Pacquiao as much as I was hoping for it at the time.

If this was the Barrera of 4 years ago, it wouldn't even be an issue, but I've watched the fight against Rojas & he just doesn't seem to be the same fighter anymore not even near. I know you can say he wanted some rounds under his belt, maybe he did, but I didn't enjoy watching him fight because he just wasn't the MAB I used to love watching. The Najera fight isn't a great example because like you say they were sparring partners & I wouldn't be surprised if MAB was allowing him a bit of dignity by not blowing him out in the first round.

I'm not saying Khan can just turn up & he'll roll over, like Fenster says it will have to be a really improved performance, but I just think age, wars & size will count against MAB.

Agree with you about Limond though dunno how he knocked Khan down, I remember thinkin at the time he'd struggle to knock my nan over

[Violent Demise]

Not sure about Michael Gomez, who could pack a decent punch, but definitely harder than Limond. However, I don't see Barrera as a big puncher at least not at 135 & not anymore. His last knockout was against a guy who had been knocked in 3 of his previous 4 fights, & each time quicker than MAB would eventually drop him for. Prior to that you have to go back to 2005 to find his last KO against Fana. Even this last weekend he got taken to the 3rd round by a guy with a 1-7-1 record, can you imagine how embarassin that would have been for the MAB of old. I would be certain that the pre-2005 Barrera demolishes Khan, even at Lightweight, but I just think he is no longer the fighter he was. In truth I don't want to see another former great & hero of mine getting demolished, so I'm hoping he's still got it although a Khan win would be better for boxing in the mainstream so I may back him on fight night. I think Khan by 9th Round TKO.

MAB in his prime was taken to the 4th round by a 2-1 fighter Cesar Najera, who was his sparring partner believe it or not. As Fenster said it means nothing he was trying to get some rounds in thats it. And i wouldn't say MAB doesn't have power anymore, he stopped himself getting KO'ed against JMM by turning the fight around with one punch.

He also stunned Manny Pacquiao a few times i thought aswell. And to be fair who at the moment would be able to stop tough fighters like JMM, Manny Pacquiao, Rocky Juarez ?

And lastly you mentioned Michael Gomez he was a Super Featherweight for most of his career. He fought Amir Khan at Lightweight which is a big difference.

And Michael Gomez isn't that big of a puncher, he has some pop but he is certainly nowhere near a world class puncher. And Willie Limond only has 8 stoppage wins out of 30 wins, and half of those stoppage wins were against fighters with losing records. Yet he had Amir Khan on queer street.

I am aware that Gomez has pretty much always fought at 130, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he does & has generally always had good 1 punch power, whilst IMO Barrera hasn't demonstrated world class power above 126. True about the JMM punch, I'd forgotten about that but it was never a situation where I thought JMM would get stopped. Can't say I ever thought he did anything to Pacquiao as much as I was hoping for it at the time.

If this was the Barrera of 4 years ago, it wouldn't even be an issue, but I've watched the fight against Rojas & he just doesn't seem to be the same fighter anymore not even near. I know you can say he wanted some rounds under his belt, maybe he did, but I didn't enjoy watching him fight because he just wasn't the MAB I used to love watching. The Najera fight isn't a great example because like you say they were sparring partners & I wouldn't be surprised if MAB was allowing him a bit of dignity by not blowing him out in the first round.

I'm not saying Khan can just turn up & he'll roll over, like Fenster says it will have to be a really improved performance, but I just think age, wars & size will count against MAB.

Agree with you about Limond though dunno how he knocked Khan down, I remember thinkin at the time he'd struggle to knock my nan over

Easy. He hit Con in the face. With Con not having a chin to cushion the blow. He went down.


VD note: I'm well aware it was a temple shot. But that's just simple semantics.

[Kev]

It's a tough fight to call imo. I favour Barrera if he has anything left at this stage and I think he could stop Khan who will probably get hit a lot in this fight.

Watching guys like Limond and Gomez rattle Khan it's hard to envisage that a slick boxing legend like Barrera isn't going to land his share of punches.

Barrera put down Marquez only a year or so ago so let's dismiss any thoughts of him not having the power at lightweight to hurt Khan.

I see Khan's speed and youth giving Barrera problems and I can see Khan winning rounds. But for me Khan will have to fight a perfect fight to pull this off, something he hasn't yet done.

Barrera can probably afford to make mistakes and not get punished but if Khan messes up he's probably getting stopped so a very risky fight.

I want Amir to win, great for British boxing and he is the future of the sport and taking a brave step up. But right now I'm favouring Barrera to stop him in the middle rounds.

[Tenshio]

I think Khan outboxes Barrera in the early going and befuddles him with his speed but will eventually get caught. Khan's chin will again let him down. MAB by stoppage.

[Mar]

...still not sure what i think about khan, one fight doesn't make his chin glass just as much as on Ko doesn't mean margaritos chin weak either. I don't know which direction khan will go but i won't judge him on his one loss. He is still learning and loosing is sometimes a positive especially when you've had sunshine blown up your ass as much as this kid, but just like gamboa, and some other prospects no matter how much thier hyped they are still prospects and are supposed to have flaws and be beatable. I'll give the guy a chance and give him a shot against an aging past his prime barrera.

[DatsiK]

I think Khan's glass jaw really is 'over-hyped' as such... did you see the shots he took from Prescott? IMO he did pretty well to get up after the first barrage... Prescott could knock out any lightweight if he landed those punches clean. I'm a fan of Khan I admit, his only problem is his over confidence, he clearly went into the ring thinking he could walk over Prescott and didn't put any thought into his defense.

But when you strip him down to his bare essentials, he has all the tools to do well in the sport. He hits relatively hard, he has very good speed and he has the motivation to do well. I think he will win this fight easily, although i'm not going to bet on it as you never know. But to sum up my thoughts I think people need to cut Khan a break and stop making his punch resistance out to be so bad. So what if Limond floored him? He got back up and broke his goddamn jaw...

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I think Khan's glass jaw really is 'over-hyped' as such... did you see the shots he took from Prescott? IMO he did pretty well to get up after the first barrage... Prescott could knock out any lightweight if he landed those punches clean. I'm a fan of Khan I admit, his only problem is his over confidence, he clearly went into the ring thinking he could walk over Prescott and didn't put any thought into his defense.

But when you strip him down to his bare essentials, he has all the tools to do well in the sport. He hits relatively hard, he has very good speed and he has the motivation to do well. I think he will win this fight easily, although i'm not going to bet on it as you never know. But to sum up my thoughts I think people need to cut Khan a break and stop making his punch resistance out to be so bad. So what if Limond floored him? He got back up and broke his goddamn jaw...

the thing is Limond can hardly break the shell of an egg and he had him in trouble. If he'd have been anything of a puncher that fight would have been over. Watching it again Limond went for broke and gassed. Credit should be given to Khans recovery but that is what youth and fitness can give you.

Define do well? British, Yes, European? World? Mix it with the top guys? Marquez? Guzman?

It's worse for him if he goes up a division as Roach seems to think as that is deeper than where he is now...Roach has been spouting all kinds of crap lately.

[Mark TKO]

am going to this one purely on the basis so I can always say I saw Barrera in action.

I am, as Fenster believes, worried that even at this stage the fight might not happen - something just doesn't seem right to me in all this.

If it does take place then if Barrera is at least 75% of the fighter he was then it should be enough to end Khan's career. If not then I see Khan's speed and size advantage getting too much for him and him quitting Oscar style around the 9th.

Warren realises the Khan cash cow has a very limited shelf life . He is talking about a world title shot after this if he wins - what happened to 'at least 2 years away' after the Prescott fight ??

I just hope Barrera is in shape and will be supporting him on the night.

Am presuming its a sky box office event ?

[Memphis]

I'll be hoping Khan hammers Barrera but expecting Amir to be laid out again.

Joey Khans chin really is as bad as people make out. Check out the clip of Amir going all Zab Judah as an amateur, I cant remember ever seing an amateur in head gear doing a chicken dance, not saying it doesnt happen of course but its got to be as rare as rocking horse shit.

Khan thinks he lost the Prescott fight because he made technical mistakes. He lost because he cannot take a punch, they may have been hefty shots and yes Im sure many a lightweight would have been decked by them, but Limmond? Gomez? It wasnt a one off was it.

If Amir can avoid being punched in the mush for the rest of his career he will go far.

[Mark TKO]

anyone got a link to the clip of him going 'Zab' as an amateur ??

People forget about the Prescott jab that wobbled his legs about 20 seconds before the knockout

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I'll be hoping Khan hammers Barrera but expecting Amir to be laid out again.

Joey Khans chin really is as bad as people make out. Check out the clip of Amir going all Zab Judah as an amateur, I cant remember ever seing an amateur in head gear doing a chicken dance, not saying it doesnt happen of course but its got to be as rare as rocking horse shit.

Khan thinks he lost the Prescott fight because he made technical mistakes. He lost because he cannot take a punch, they may have been hefty shots and yes Im sure many a lightweight would have been decked by them, but Limmond? Gomez? It wasnt a one off was it.

If Amir can avoid being punched in the mush for the rest of his career he will go far.

But consider yourself dumped for the first six words of your post.

[kevindx]

alot of talk of barrera not having a lightwieghts punch power but thats ok cos khan doesnt have a lightwieghts chin

[Howlin Mad Missy]

alot of talk of barrera not having a lightwieghts punch power but thats ok cos khan doesnt have a lightwieghts chin

lol. Welcome to Saddo's. Keeping posting like that & you'll go far.

[kevindx]

alot of talk of barrera not having a lightwieghts punch power but thats ok cos khan doesnt have a lightwieghts chin

lol. Welcome to Saddo's. Keeping posting like that & you'll go far.

cheers mate liked the prayer

[1-hit Wonder]

Im going for a Khan win, im a fan and i really hope to see the undoubted potential he's got fulfilled in this fight. MAB's had his day and i hope he retires soon.