retiring undefeated

[Drago]

If anyone says Joe Calzaghe i will haunt them until the end of time.

Joe Calzaghe

see cos i typed it in big means its even more true ICB

ha ha

[No Contest]

Sven Ottke or Terry Marsh

[Drago]

Sven Ottke or Terry Marsh

sven ottke he was truely a great fighter, he beat robin reid sensless

[JazMerkin]

Lopez or Mayweather although I can't pick. Don't think any other undefeated champ is even on their level

[jon09]

I like a Lopez but he still had a draw on his record. Its hard to go against 0 when nothing is shadowing it. I would say as of now until its official and he steps in the ring Floyd Mayweather is the man then Joe Calzaghe.

[Taeth]

Ricardo Lopez was really great not question, but p4p Mayweather is easily better than him, won more belts in more weight categories, way better quality of opposition, faster, harder to hit, at 130 hit as hard.

people are biased because of how time works, but Mayweather is probably the BEST undefeated fighter to retire then there is a honest arguement between Calzaghe and Lopez. Then Marciano.

Who is the greatest undefeated fighter though has to be Marciano. Way more recognition, way larger legend. Mayweather if he comes back and beats Cotto and Pacquiao in huge fights then it might change in his favor because Marciano was only undefeated because he beat up old greats.

[Mr140]

Question Teath were do you rate Mayweather in pound for pound and how great he is i have him in the top 20 were do you place him just to ask i while admit i am not a fan of his and think Shane Molsey in prime would of beat him along with likes of Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns but still he was achived alot and i while give credit to the man but were do you rate him also i dont think he is to boring now that i watch his earlier work was a way different fighter then the one i see today anyway.

[Andre]

Ricardo Lopez was really great not question, but p4p Mayweather is easily better than him, won more belts in more weight categories, way better quality of opposition, faster, harder to hit, at 130 hit as hard.

people are biased because of how time works, but Mayweather is probably the BEST undefeated fighter to retire then there is a honest arguement between Calzaghe and Lopez. Then Marciano.

Who is the greatest undefeated fighter though has to be Marciano. Way more recognition, way larger legend. Mayweather if he comes back and beats Cotto and Pacquiao in huge fights then it might change in his favor because Marciano was only undefeated because he beat up old greats.

If marciano fought now the way he did back then he would be disqualified for using the less padded bladed area of his gloves like choppers.It would be cheating these days.

[Mr140]

Rocky Marciano is remebered because he was a good heavyweight and he was undefeated in a division that used to be the top division that and i hate to say this and dont take it the wrong way i am sure some of you while but he was white also which helped his case alot as well.

[Andre]

Rocky Marciano is remebered because he was a good heavyweight and he was undefeated in a division that used to be the top division that and i hate to say this and dont take it the wrong way i am sure some of you while but he was white also which helped his case alot as well.

Not sure ,I dont think he got any handed to him did he?
tough times anyway, he must have been a hard assed bast just to be in there with that bunch.Got to give him credit he took good shots too.

[Mr140]

Rocky Marciano i think was great but by today standards be more like a CW and still think he do great i dont know may be just me but think the mob was envoled with Rocky not sure about this but any how i not saying he was not a great fighter or did not win all his fights fair and square but some people rate him really high to the point were i think him being white champion who was undefeated had a effect on his status if he were black and did what he did would still get the credit maybe he would maybe he wouldnt i dont know just a thought dont read to much into it.

[Fenster]

Lots of Lopez fans but nobody has justified his status.

Which all-time great fighters did he beat?

Which fighters were P4P ranked when he beat them?

What makes his WBC strawweight reign superior to Sven Ottke's IBF reign?

[kingfrnk]

Im gonna say Floyd Mayweather

[ICB]

Lots of Lopez fans but nobody has justified his status.

Which all-time great fighters did he beat?

Which fighters were P4P ranked when he beat them?

What makes his WBC strawweight reign superior to Sven Ottke's IBF reign?

Mick's post here sums it up.


Something that annoys me is when people say he didn't have hall of fame competition which is why his record is not impressive.

The thing is the lower weights especially Straweight is not on the same boat as the rest of the divisions. This is mainly in the lower weights.

Here's what I mean, fighters in the lower weights get title shots sooner/earlier in their careers then they do at the higher weights.

So you'll look at a Straweights record and it'll look like 21-3 and you'll say well what a short career. But when you actually study his record you'll see he fought something like 6 title bouts won 3 lost 3 and beat some top names. That may not look to be hall of fame career compared to Hagler or Duran but again it's because the careers at the lower weights seems to be shorter. Take Petelo for example his career ended at 17-5-2 hardly a monstrous career decorated with longevity but again look closer you'll see he fought Sor Vorapin, Jamili, Rubillar, Zolile & Lopez. He defended his IBF title 5 times before loosing to Lopez. That resume to me is a hall resume again considering the way careers go at the lower weight.

I think the Hall needs to update/revise a lot of things as far as their induction requirements. You can't measure careers when the lower weights are not on the same boat it's unfair to them IMO.

Anyway back to Lopez and his opposition.
I think he fought the best opposition available to him Ohashi, Saman, Kermin, Sanchez, Alvarez, Grisby, Vorapin & Petelo.
IMO all hall material for the small guys. So to me when I read things like he never fought top/hall opposition I just can't help but think that the people want to see opponents who had long careers with titles and all that but it's not the case.

Even today I mean in recent times did Calderon have any hall of fame names? Shit I just remembered he himself fought the same Sanchez, Lopez fought yrs. ago...
He moved up in weight and fought Cazares whos the biggest name on his resume. Yutaka himself, his best win is over Chana other then that he's got top names. I think Yutakas def. hall for a Straweight...

[Mr140]

Well i while agree with fenster makes a point what fighters did Lopez beat that were any greater then what Calzaghe beat which i have not seen anyone bring up is who is it that he beat which made him all time great i think Evander Holyfeild had better wins and moved up so much in weight yet he gets like no credit in pound for pound list makes me nuts.