Geez these f'ers are crazy.

[Trainer Monkey]

Lyle is the hard right and apparently he has made it quite clear that killing in the name of any religion is repulsive

At the end of the day,Lyle is moderate to far right,he isnt even close to serious hard right,those guys have compounds and scare me way more then Muslims. I dont have a Muslim living anywhere near me,but I bet I can find a methed up Christian who gods been talking to lately.
If I judged christianity strictly on being anti gay while traiding meth for homosexual acts (Ted Haggerty) or claiming I redirected a hurricane away from Virginia right in to New England with the power of god(Pat "Actually ran for president"Robertson),youd think all Christians were out of their fucking gord

But these are two examples though, and all they are examples of are either hypocrisy in the case of Haggerty or weird delused beliefs in the case of Robertson.

Nobody is arguing that religions don't or shouldn't have some weird beliefs, they all do, the difference is Christian sects don't represent mainstream Christianity and certainly don't represent national governments, and these people arn't beheading or stoning people.

How can you not see the difference here?

If you live in America you are free to choose to think Pat Robertson is a fucking loon and even to say so publicly.

If he was a Muslim cleric and you lived in Iran, your criticisms of him would get you killed.

THAT's the difference.

Why not move to the middle east if you prefer it and their values to your own country?

Of course you would be imprisoned immediately for training women to fight thus hinting at their equality, and they would be lashed, beaten and stoned to death for being whores for daring to bare their midriffs in public but its a better place right?

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

[Kev]

At the end of the day,Lyle is moderate to far right,he isnt even close to serious hard right,those guys have compounds and scare me way more then Muslims. I dont have a Muslim living anywhere near me,but I bet I can find a methed up Christian who gods been talking to lately.
If I judged christianity strictly on being anti gay while traiding meth for homosexual acts (Ted Haggerty) or claiming I redirected a hurricane away from Virginia right in to New England with the power of god(Pat "Actually ran for president"Robertson),youd think all Christians were out of their fucking gord

But these are two examples though, and all they are examples of are either hypocrisy in the case of Haggerty or weird delused beliefs in the case of Robertson.

Nobody is arguing that religions don't or shouldn't have some weird beliefs, they all do, the difference is Christian sects don't represent mainstream Christianity and certainly don't represent national governments, and these people arn't beheading or stoning people.

How can you not see the difference here?

If you live in America you are free to choose to think Pat Robertson is a fucking loon and even to say so publicly.

If he was a Muslim cleric and you lived in Iran, your criticisms of him would get you killed.

THAT's the difference.

Why not move to the middle east if you prefer it and their values to your own country?

Of course you would be imprisoned immediately for training women to fight thus hinting at their equality, and they would be lashed, beaten and stoned to death for being whores for daring to bare their midriffs in public but its a better place right?

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

So not allowing gays to marry is the same as killing them , interesting

Gay people are tolerated in America, no attempt is made to stop them from being gay. It's just that the Christian religion and the sacrament of marriage says 'one man for one woman' and Bush wanted to uphold that. It doesn't allow polygmay either or human animal marriages but you didnt seem to mind that.

How does that even remotely compare to the Islamic world KILLING people SUSPECTED of being gay?

[Trainer Monkey]

But these are two examples though, and all they are examples of are either hypocrisy in the case of Haggerty or weird delused beliefs in the case of Robertson.

Nobody is arguing that religions don't or shouldn't have some weird beliefs, they all do, the difference is Christian sects don't represent mainstream Christianity and certainly don't represent national governments, and these people arn't beheading or stoning people.

How can you not see the difference here?

If you live in America you are free to choose to think Pat Robertson is a fucking loon and even to say so publicly.

If he was a Muslim cleric and you lived in Iran, your criticisms of him would get you killed.

THAT's the difference.

Why not move to the middle east if you prefer it and their values to your own country?

Of course you would be imprisoned immediately for training women to fight thus hinting at their equality, and they would be lashed, beaten and stoned to death for being whores for daring to bare their midriffs in public but its a better place right?

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

So not allowing gays to marry is the same as killing them , interesting

Gay people are tolerated in America, no attempt is made to stop them from being gay. It's just that the Christian religion and the sacrament of marriage says 'one man for one woman' and Bush wanted to uphold that. He doesn't allow polygmay either or human animal marriages but you didnt seem to mind that.

How does that even remotely compare to the Islamic world KILLING people SUSPECTED of being gay?

Not funding AIDS research was
Not interesting,but very true,well if you were a family member of someone dying of AIDS in the 80's I guess that would seem pretty interesting. Reagan refused to fund research
Any religion coming from America that spent most of the last century responding to Christs admonition "Whatsoever you do to the least of my children" by letting the victim of the lynching pick their tree branch, is going to sound more then a bit of BS

[Andre]

But these are two examples though, and all they are examples of are either hypocrisy in the case of Haggerty or weird delused beliefs in the case of Robertson.

Nobody is arguing that religions don't or shouldn't have some weird beliefs, they all do, the difference is Christian sects don't represent mainstream Christianity and certainly don't represent national governments, and these people arn't beheading or stoning people.

How can you not see the difference here?

If you live in America you are free to choose to think Pat Robertson is a fucking loon and even to say so publicly.

If he was a Muslim cleric and you lived in Iran, your criticisms of him would get you killed.

THAT's the difference.

Why not move to the middle east if you prefer it and their values to your own country?

Of course you would be imprisoned immediately for training women to fight thus hinting at their equality, and they would be lashed, beaten and stoned to death for being whores for daring to bare their midriffs in public but its a better place right?

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

So not allowing gays to marry is the same as killing them , interesting

So far they are your words Bilbo not Tms.

Bilbo I agree ,it is wrong to treat your societies like that true;Ours is the better. There is a vast difference; but even you know that isnt why we are over there fighting them and thats not why you are placing those other facts out here to air either.

From what I read Tm is only drawing comparissions on evils out of both sides.

I think he well knows and admitts the evil undertones of both sides.

Can you see that side of it?

i maybe putting words in his mouth from reading between the lines too but I think he is against us in the West saying we are the warriors of God doing Gods work as Christians ,where as our undertones are also greed and insanity, just on a different level. Thus my posts on the matter.

[Kev]

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

So not allowing gays to marry is the same as killing them , interesting

So far they are your words Bilbo not Tms.

Bilbo I agree ,it is wrong to treat your societies like that true;Ours is the better. There is a vast difference; but even you know that isnt why we are over there fighting them and thats not why you are placing those other facts out here to air either.

From what I read Tm is only drawing comparissions on evils out of both sides.

I think he well knows and admitts the evil undertones of both sides.

Can you see that side of it?

i maybe putting words in his mouth from reading between the lines too but I think he is against us in the West saying we are the warriors of God doing Gods work as Christians ,where as our undertones are also greed and insanity, just on a different level. Thus my posts on the matter.

This isn't a thread about war though Andre. It was just a thread made by Von Milash to highlight how the Muslims are trying to sentence to death a Muslim cleric who translated the Quran into the language of Afghanistan.

It also talked about a student sentenced to 20 years imprisonment for questioning women's rights under Islam and another man who was declared insane (reduced from death penalty) for converting to Christianity.

It was THOSE reports to which Von and myself were referring to when we said 'FUCKING LOONS!!!' and those only.

Apparently though TM feels our Western world is as equally oppressive and backwards to our own people as they Islamic world is to theirs.

Of course I, Von, Van Childs and Lyle all call bullshit on this

[Trainer Monkey]

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

So not allowing gays to marry is the same as killing them , interesting

So far they are your words Bilbo not Tms.

Bilbo I agree ,it is wrong to treat your societies like that true;Ours is the better. There is a vast difference; but even you know that isnt why we are over there fighting them and thats not why you are placing those other facts out here to air either.

From what I read Tm is only drawing comparissions on evils out of both sides.

I think he well knows and admitts the evil undertones of both sides.

Can you see that side of it?

i maybe putting words in his mouth from reading between the lines too but I think he is against us in the West saying we are the warriors of God doing Gods work as Christians ,where as our undertones are also greed and insanity, just on a different level. Thus my posts on the matter.

Nope thats pretty close to it,so dont sweat it.
All religous wars are stupid
Im going to prove my invisible man or dead martyr who preached non-violence was so holy,Im going to kill you for it.
Its dumb
But its dumb all around,there is alot of dumb to go around.
And when you dont have a high horse to get up on,but you act like you do,you encourage even more dumb.

[El Kabong]

Almost like he was attempting to please his backers like somebody who is in office right now

[Trainer Monkey]

Almost like he was attempting to please his backers like somebody who is in office right now

Heaven forbid the President was beholden to the American people,that might end up looking like representative democracy

[El Kabong]

Heaven forbid the President was beholden to the American people,that might end up looking like representative democracy

Maybe we'll get there one day...but it won't be soon