Geez these f'ers are crazy.

[CFH]

I'm not sure I know of a legal invasion in the history of war. Almost an oxymoron. Like I said I didn't agree with invading Iraq nor do I think the invasion or rebuilding phases early on were very well thought out but we are there so why not finish it. CFH I'm afraid you don't have your finger on the pulse of the Iraqi people. Most if not every average joe Iraqi I ever spoke to was better than they were in 2003 and most don't want us to leave. The younger generation is very excited about moving forward in a western government. If it makes you feel better to be disrespectful to me b/c you some how feel I am the embodiment of the American Government then go right ahead but I'm still one soldier doing what I'm told. I hope you treat your Canadian soldier's with more respect. I worked with several in the Aruzagon valley. Brave men.

Fair enough about a legal invasion, perhaps unjustified is a better word. To me it is criminal. I'm honestly not trying to disrespect you on a personal level, you're earlier comment pissed me off and that's why I responded in the way I did, but I have nothing against you personally. We just have completely different views about what you're doing. My views on these sorts of things are far from mainstream, I understand that, I just I don't feel that it is any different from any other kind of armed killing, IMO it was not necessary and that angers me.

Regarding Canadian soldiers, I don't have a ton of respect for what they represent. Individually, I have no problems with the few I know. A friend of mine from school is an infantryman (a reservist obviously). I don't feel much different about them than I do about any other soldiers. I hope none of them get killed and I hope they don't have to kill anybody, but obviously that is unrealistic. I don't have a lot of respect for the policies/goals of the governments they represent. I wish them no personal ill, but I in no way support what they represent.

Anyways, I don't want to get embroiled in a long, drawn out argument about politics or anything like that. I try to avoid that these days. I apologize for offending you, like I said, I was just pissed off about your comment and reacted harshly. I hope you come back from Iraq safely if you go again, but I also hope you don't have to kill anyone else. I just don't agree with why your are there etc.

[armin]

I didn't read this whole thread but someone in the beginning claimed when has christianity ever done as much evil as islam, well islam is a fairly young religion compared to judaism and christianity, and guess what those two in their early years were just as shit fuckin crazy. The crusades were basically sanctioned killings by the pope, along the way they didn't really care whom they killed often times killing the christians as well and sacking christian cities. No religion is crazier than another one, its just that at the moment loonies are more dominant in islam than in christianity, but it wasn't always like that. For fucks sake adolf hitler considered himself to be doing gods work.There are highs and lows for every civilization, islamic civilization if you want to call it that, just happens to be perhaps at a low at the moment, just like western culture/ christian civilization was at a low for several hundred years during the dark ages, during this time the middle east was rather advanced when compared to europe. I can't believe people don't see this...

[Von Milash]

Well that's because you're entirely wrong.

[armin]

Good debate tactic just tell someone they're wrong, and keep at it. Why am I entirely wrong? Crusades weren't really military campaigns by christian europe waged against muslims, jews, eastern orthodox christians and numerous other peoples? They weren't sanctioned by the pope? Crusaders were not granted forgiveness for all kinds of sins by the church if they went on a crusade? Talking of church approved torture and prosecution anyone remember the inquistions? Expeling/killing of jews from almost every european country during the medival ages, not once but several times. Christianity has just as much blood on its hands as islam, the religions themselves are not crazy they're just books/systems of belief and people do with it as they choose to do with it.

[VictorCharlie]

So I guess the real point your making is while Christianity's mainstream denominations have attempted to evolve and change to better fit the world's current moral compass and put its less than savory history behind it Islam is still an extremely violent religion. Couldn't agree more

[armin]

And I'm not going to disagree with that statement I said at the moment there are more loonies in islam than christianity. islam has a lot of its followers that are crazy fuckheads at the moment, but that doesn't make islam as a religion more evil than another religion.

[Trainer Monkey]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy