Who is the bigger cheater?

[ICB]

About the chess thing i've already offered CGM, a 1 minute or 2 minute game of Chess, without any increment. And he hasn't replied so it seems to me he's ducking the challenge. I feel like Paul Williams when i defeated Antonio Margarito, now Antonio Margarito like CGM won't give me a rematch

And a bullet game would prove what? Nothing.

Bullet ain't chess to me, I don't play it, don't like it and I can't move that fast. You'd flag me for sure. You can call it ducking or whatever you want, if it makes you feel better. Some people may even think it means something, I really don't care.

I made my case in Bilbo's thread.

Means nothing ? uhh it proves im not cheating if i can play at a very high level, playing speed games which i can fast games are my speciality. I had lag that day which i told Killersheep before Chess was mentioned.

Im offering you a challenge to prove it, i'll move 2 seconds per move it doesn't really bother me. You can even play unrated i don't care about rating, its just to clear my name thats it because i don't like being accused, and i never realized you took it too heart

[Youngblood]

was googlin Rainman pics cuz of this thread, looking for a good one of Hoffman...and found this, which has nothing to do at all with this thread, but hahaha

[Gandalf]

was googlin Rainman pics cuz of this thread, looking for a good one of Hoffman...and found this, which has nothing to do at all with this thread, but hahaha

Splendid pics, Youngblood.

[CGM]

About the chess thing i've already offered CGM, a 1 minute or 2 minute game of Chess, without any increment. And he hasn't replied so it seems to me he's ducking the challenge. I feel like Paul Williams when i defeated Antonio Margarito, now Antonio Margarito like CGM won't give me a rematch

And a bullet game would prove what? Nothing.

Bullet ain't chess to me, I don't play it, don't like it and I can't move that fast. You'd flag me for sure. You can call it ducking or whatever you want, if it makes you feel better. Some people may even think it means something, I really don't care.

I made my case in Bilbo's thread.

Means nothing ? uhh it proves im not cheating if i can play at a very high level, playing speed games which i can fast games are my speciality. I had lag that day which i told Killersheep before Chess was mentioned.

Im offering you a challenge to prove it, i'll move 2 seconds per move it doesn't really bother me. You can even play unrated i don't care about rating, its just to clear my name thats it because i don't like being accused, and i never realized you took it too heart

Beating me at bullet would prove you can move fast. Beating me at bullet would not prove you can play at a high level, cause I can't play even close to a high level at bullet. And I would have no way of verifying who it is anyway.

If you have anything at all to say, respond to my post in Bilbo's thread, cause that's where I've made my case.

[ICB]

And a bullet game would prove what? Nothing.

Bullet ain't chess to me, I don't play it, don't like it and I can't move that fast. You'd flag me for sure. You can call it ducking or whatever you want, if it makes you feel better. Some people may even think it means something, I really don't care.

I made my case in Bilbo's thread.

Means nothing ? uhh it proves im not cheating if i can play at a very high level, playing speed games which i can fast games are my speciality. I had lag that day which i told Killersheep before Chess was mentioned.

Im offering you a challenge to prove it, i'll move 2 seconds per move it doesn't really bother me. You can even play unrated i don't care about rating, its just to clear my name thats it because i don't like being accused, and i never realized you took it too heart

Beating me at bullet would prove you can move fast. Beating me at bullet would not prove you can play at a high level, cause I can't play even close to a high level at bullet. And I would have no way of verifying who it is anyway.

If you have anything at all to say, respond to my post in Bilbo's thread, cause that's where I've made my case.

LOL this is just ridiculous it really is forgetting what i say, because nothing i can say would make a difference in both of your old suspicious minds. So im offering you a bullet game or even a slow game.

And you can take all the time you want to think, and i'll move in seconds how about that ? step up to the mark don't just accuse me and then don't step up to the mark. Im willing to prove it the good old fashion way, not just with words.

[ICB]

Means nothing ? uhh it proves im not cheating if i can play at a very high level, playing speed games which i can fast games are my speciality. I had lag that day which i told Killersheep before Chess was mentioned.

Im offering you a challenge to prove it, i'll move 2 seconds per move it doesn't really bother me. You can even play unrated i don't care about rating, its just to clear my name thats it because i don't like being accused, and i never realized you took it too heart

Beating me at bullet would prove you can move fast. Beating me at bullet would not prove you can play at a high level, cause I can't play even close to a high level at bullet. And I would have no way of verifying who it is anyway.

If you have anything at all to say, respond to my post in Bilbo's thread, cause that's where I've made my case.

LOL this is just ridiculous it really is forgetting what i say, because nothing i can say would make a difference in both of your old suspicious minds. So im offering you a bullet game or even a slow game.

And you can take all the time you want to think, and i'll move in seconds how about that ? step up to the mark don't just accuse me and then don't step up to the mark. Im willing to prove it the good old fashion way, not just with words.

The stage is set CGM the fans are waiting with excitement, all you need to do is sign the contract right here bud








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[CGM]

Beating me at bullet would prove you can move fast. Beating me at bullet would not prove you can play at a high level, cause I can't play even close to a high level at bullet. And I would have no way of verifying who it is anyway.

If you have anything at all to say, respond to my post in Bilbo's thread, cause that's where I've made my case.

LOL this is just ridiculous it really is forgetting what i say, because nothing i can say would make a difference in both of your old suspicious minds. So im offering you a bullet game or even a slow game.

And you can take all the time you want to think, and i'll move in seconds how about that ? step up to the mark don't just accuse me and then don't step up to the mark. Im willing to prove it the good old fashion way, not just with words.

The stage is set CGM the fans are waiting with excitement, all you need to do is sign the contract right here bud








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Hmm... A guy who previously claimed, a couple of months ago, not to have played in over 5 years, and only a few times before that, and who also claimed that he really sucked at chess, now is so confident that he wants to challenge me whereby he will take only a few seconds per move, and I can take all the time I want. I think not. Sorry, I'm not interested in those terms. And to tell you the truth, I'm really not all that interested in playing you. But I will give some thought to some other kind of contest.

You can claim victory in this dispute if you want, I'll still stand by my post in Bilbo's thread. And everyone else can believe whatever the hell they want.

[ICB]

LOL this is just ridiculous it really is forgetting what i say, because nothing i can say would make a difference in both of your old suspicious minds. So im offering you a bullet game or even a slow game.

And you can take all the time you want to think, and i'll move in seconds how about that ? step up to the mark don't just accuse me and then don't step up to the mark. Im willing to prove it the good old fashion way, not just with words.

The stage is set CGM the fans are waiting with excitement, all you need to do is sign the contract right here bud








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Hmm... A guy who previously claimed, a couple of months ago, not to have played in over 5 years, and only a few times before that, and who also claimed that he really sucked at chess, now is so confident that he wants to challenge me whereby he will take only a few seconds per move, and I can take all the time I want. I think not. Sorry, I'm not interested in those terms. And to tell you the truth, I'm really not all that interested in playing you. But I will give some thought to some other kind of contest.

You can claim victory in this dispute if you want, I'll still stand by my post in Bilbo's thread. And everyone else can believe whatever the hell they want.

Ok fair enough but don't call me a cheater anymore, because i've offered you fair terms and you declined. Unless your willing to step up never call me a cheater again thank you

And that goes for Bilbo aswell he knows the terms if your interested my little hobbit friend

[Gandalf]

The stage is set CGM the fans are waiting with excitement, all you need to do is sign the contract right here bud








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Hmm... A guy who previously claimed, a couple of months ago, not to have played in over 5 years, and only a few times before that, and who also claimed that he really sucked at chess, now is so confident that he wants to challenge me whereby he will take only a few seconds per move, and I can take all the time I want. I think not. Sorry, I'm not interested in those terms. And to tell you the truth, I'm really not all that interested in playing you. But I will give some thought to some other kind of contest.

You can claim victory in this dispute if you want, I'll still stand by my post in Bilbo's thread. And everyone else can believe whatever the hell they want.

Ok fair enough but don't call me a cheater anymore, because i've offered you fair terms and you declined. Unless your willing to step up never call me a cheater again thank you

And that goes for Bilbo aswell he knows the terms if your interested my little hobbit friend

I would love to see an actual game with you guys playing against each other just to see for my own eyes who really is better. We could have members betting on who they think would win to generate prize money too.

[Kev]

The stage is set CGM the fans are waiting with excitement, all you need to do is sign the contract right here bud








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Hmm... A guy who previously claimed, a couple of months ago, not to have played in over 5 years, and only a few times before that, and who also claimed that he really sucked at chess, now is so confident that he wants to challenge me whereby he will take only a few seconds per move, and I can take all the time I want. I think not. Sorry, I'm not interested in those terms. And to tell you the truth, I'm really not all that interested in playing you. But I will give some thought to some other kind of contest.

You can claim victory in this dispute if you want, I'll still stand by my post in Bilbo's thread. And everyone else can believe whatever the hell they want.

Ok fair enough but don't call me a cheater anymore, because i've offered you fair terms and you declined. Unless your willing to step up never call me a cheater again thank you

And that goes for Bilbo aswell he knows the terms if your interested my little hobbit friend

To be fair to Ice he is at least offering to play a speed game where it would be virtually impossible to cheat, unless he had somebody else with him moving the pieces on a chess program on a seperate computer and calling out the moves he should make in record time, or that he had a really strong player to play on his behalf.

My problem in the whole scenario is the PROVEN inconsistencies in Ice's story.

A year ago he had only played chess twice and just about knew how to move the pieces.

Now he claims to have been a chess prodigy as a child and even studied Grandmaster games and got a 2100 rating which would put him in the top 10 percent of competitive chess players worldwide.

When pressed to name the Grandmasters he studied and what games he viewed we got no response, when asked what openings he plays again we got no response.

If you really had such a love for chess that you studied the games of Grandmaster you would easily be able to remember the games you studied just like you can remember the favourite fights from your favourite fighters.

You would also have loads of information to offer relating to the openings you played and you'd remember easily the openings employed in all of your online encounters against fellow players here.

You could have easily countered these accusations by supplying us with that information but every time I asked the question you simply ignored the post.

A 1 or 2 minute bullet game is pretty much a crap shoot and rewards mouse hand eye coordination and a decent internet connection more than skill in chess.

Myself and CGM have both discussed chess privately and it's clear from our conversations that we both understand chess and have studied it from our knowledge of it.

To use a boxing analagy what Ice has effectively done is claim he laced up a pair of gloves a couple times, then in about turn claim he was a great amatuer and boasted an impressive win record, yet avoids any questions regarding where he trained, who he boxed, what competitions he entered, what gloves he wore, who he knows in the boxing world etc.

Interestingly he now started to claim EXACTLY this in amatuer boxing as well with his 5-0 record, training in an unknown gym, against unknown opponents, in unknown venues, trained by an unknown trainer etc.

You are arousing suspicion Ice and it's fair game to call you up on it.