Ok this is heresy but was Ali actually a total knob?

[BIG H]

its funny because ali in his time at top was not very well liked at all but to really understand the racisim etc u have to place yurself in that period of time when he was coming up and became champion(martin luther kings time malcom x black marches for equality etc)when we look back in time now and c his interviews and comments and antics sure he comes across as a bit of a self centered clown but those were the times back then and too the white heirachy he was a mouthy black who didnt know his place(polishing the white mans superior shoes)and was a great inspirational hero to the black man....especially in that vietnam war era(no viet cong ever called me a nigga haha)he was a symbol of strength intelligence confidence(very cocky)wittyness and articulate for the black people when they needed all that.....long live the self proclaimed greatest
ps he did apologise eventually to fraizer but alwaysaid wat he did was in jest, the reason joe took it so personally was because joe trully liked ali and regarded him as a friend and felt alis antics was not necessary and too over the top

Did he? I understood that he sent his son into Frazier's dressing room to say sorry, but never did it in person. May be wrong

[smashup]

Yeah true..infact Frazier is still bitter to this day.
Anyone see the recent Thrilla in Manilla documentary?
Brilliant stuff and i think it was on More4 of one of the channel 4 sister channels.
It still upsets him being called an "Uncle Tom" etc.

[cpcompany]

Yeah true..infact Frazier is still bitter to this day.
Anyone see the recent Thrilla in Manilla documentary?
Brilliant stuff and i think it was on More4 of one of the channel 4 sister channels.
It still upsets him being called an "Uncle Tom" etc.

One of, if not the best boxing documentary I have seen. Whether you are an Ali fan or not, its hard to disagree that Frazier came across as the better man during their verbal dispute.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

its funny because ali in his time at top was not very well liked at all but to really understand the racisim etc u have to place yurself in that period of time when he was coming up and became champion(martin luther kings time malcom x black marches for equality etc)when we look back in time now and c his interviews and comments and antics sure he comes across as a bit of a self centered clown but those were the times back then and too the white heirachy he was a mouthy black who didnt know his place(polishing the white mans superior shoes)and was a great inspirational hero to the black man....especially in that vietnam war era(no viet cong ever called me a nigga haha)he was a symbol of strength intelligence confidence(very cocky)wittyness and articulate for the black people when they needed all that.....long live the self proclaimed greatest
ps he did apologise eventually to fraizer but alwaysaid wat he did was in jest, the reason joe took it so personally was because joe trully liked ali and regarded him as a friend and felt alis antics was not necessary and too over the top

Did he? I understood that he sent his son into Frazier's dressing room to say sorry, but never did it in person. May be wrong

Yep H & Smash. Same documentary that I saw. Very good.

[Scrap]

He was my idol the Man could do no wrong. But looking back with hindsight it makes you wonder. Joe Louis did just as much for Blacks in the war years than anybody in a qiute way, with Dignity and Respect. As Roy Jones says, people forget.

[porkypara]

Ali could be a knob as you put it at times but I think that goes for most people.


At times Ali crossed the line with Fraizer because I dont think Ali 100% knew where the line was.


And yes he was a total hypocrite in a lot of ways.Race Religion women ect.

He always did what his heart said which was could be right or wrong.

The bad I have already mentioned,the good he did not join the US army to be part of an unjust system even though he could have gone and avoided putting his life in danger.
Not many other people would give up what Ali did (world title,popularity,money) and for that he will always have the respect of most of the world.

[Mark TKO]

yep complete hypocrite (especially regarding women) and a bit of a knob at times as has been said. I always used to take everything tongue in cheek with him.

have to admit looking back though as Scrap says it makes you wonder - especially after the More4 documentary.

Mayweatheresque ?!? No way - that guy is a complete bellend