Jones Jr P4P great. TODAY!!!

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I think that Jones' powers were not comparable to that of Hopkins. He was just brazing fast and used his reflexes to put the fight in his turf. BHop has been a hustler who never took anyone for granted in any situation. He has a slightly better defense than offense. Jones had a significantly better offense than defense. He could finish off a fighter when he chose, and he knew how to bring the pain.

Note: I am not a BHop fan by any stretch. And completely resent him being P4P #1 on boxrec more so than Jones being #25.

agreed Jones relied on his speed and lightning reactions and never really polished a textbook style like Bernard did. Therefore he was never going to last as long as Bernard when he lost his natural talents. Both in their primes Jones was quite a bit better. Now Hopkins is a lot better!

Roy Jones Jr was way more than just reflexes and speed. He had great combinations, you see in guys like Mosley and Berto that speed alone doesn't make every opponent easy to hit. Nobody except maybe Pacquiao in the modern sport was so skilled at opponening up an opponent, and landed with such ease, its because Roy could throw every punch in the book, he threw the punches when nobody was anticipating it.

Once again, speed alone can be timed, you saw it often when Mayweather was trying to potshot De La HOya, or when Berto was trying to land on Forbes.

I suggest everyone watch Jones-Hopkins, sure Hopkins wasn't as good as he is now, but he was still Hopkins and already a great fighter with great fundamentals, and when he got Roy on the ropes he was still barely landing anything, we've seen great athletes like Judah, Robinson, Ali, Leonard on the ropes and most guys regardless of speed get hit especially by an accurate puncher like hopkins, but there are a select who aren't just athletically amazing, but they know all the folds of the game like Jones, Mayweather, old Hopkins, Whitaker, Benitez which made them so elusive. Roy doesn't get credit for it, but he was one of the hardest guys to hit thats ever fought. He's the best counter puncher I've ever seen, the best at throwing combinations, and probably the most dominating boxer in the modern era. Athletic ability alone didn't make Roy was he is/was. His ring intelligence was second to none. Obviously he used and his style required that he used all of his athletic ability, but nobody maximized their athletic ability like he did.