The all new Velociraptor and why I laugh at 'science'

[Kirkland Laing]

The feather picture I presented wasn't from my pop up book. Go check out Wiki's view, they have even added wings!!!

The second pic I provided IS the SCIENTIFIC opinion of what they looked like. Actually to be more precise, it's the viw that science wants to convey it looked like in current books and literature to emphasise that they believe that therapod dinosaurs like velociraptor were the descendents of birds.

Which scientists believe that they descended from birds?

Erm every single scientist apart from Alan Fedducia who is the lone ornithologist voice against the therapod evolution of birds into dinosaurs.

According to science it's been proven beyond reasonable doubt now, allegedly.

Show me one single scientific paper or quote from a scientist that alleges birds evolved into dinosaurs.

[El Kabong]

Show me one single scientific paper or quote from a scientist that alleges birds evolved into dinosaurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLaIFf96PP4

.....he's British, you HAVE to believe him.

[Andre]

Joan Collins Joan Rivers both birds who turned into dinosaurs.

[Kirkland Laing]

Show me one single scientific paper or quote from a scientist that alleges birds evolved into dinosaurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLaIFf96PP4
.....he's British, you HAVE to believe him.

That's right Lyle, birds evolved from dinosaurs, not the other way round. Thanks for procving my point.

[Kev]

Which scientists believe that they descended from birds?

Erm every single scientist apart from Alan Fedducia who is the lone ornithologist voice against the therapod evolution of birds into dinosaurs.

According to science it's been proven beyond reasonable doubt now, allegedly.

Show me one single scientific paper or quote from a scientist that alleges birds evolved into dinosaurs.

ha I can't believe that the evolutionist is trying get the creationist to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds.

Firstly I do NOT believe dinosaurs evolved into birds, secondly science is adament that the case for dinosaur bird evolution is as strong as ape to man evolution now. It's only a small minority of evolutionists who oppose the idea, probably less than 10 percent.

The established scientific opinion nowadays is that therapod dinosaurs such as velociraptor share the same ancestor as modern birds.

As to Miles original question on how scientists know they had feathers, well no feathers have been found on a dinosaur fossil, although they are many preserved feathers in bird fossils.

The evidence for feathers in dinosaurs relates to the presence of what the evolutionists believe are quill knobs on the forearm bones of some therapod dinosaurs, consistent with feathers having been there.

It is widely accepted now by the scientific community, I have no idea what Laing is trying to suggest, but the entire evolutionary community now believes some dinosaurs were feathered and that they evolved into birds.

Just google any 'reputable' source, it's considered a fact of science now.

Of course I personally don't believe it, I just think evolutionists redraw their designs of what creatures looked like based on what they want them to have evolved from.

The completely false and innacurate depictions of Neanderthals, the Lucy skeleton, Java man, the Taung fossil etc in musuems and literature also attest to this fact.

[Kirkland Laing]

Erm every single scientist apart from Alan Fedducia who is the lone ornithologist voice against the therapod evolution of birds into dinosaurs.

According to science it's been proven beyond reasonable doubt now, allegedly.

Show me one single scientific paper or quote from a scientist that alleges birds evolved into dinosaurs.

ha I can't believe that the evolutionist is trying get the creationist to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds.

Firstly I do NOT believe dinosaurs evolved into birds, secondly science is adament that the case for dinosaur bird evolution is as strong as ape to man evolution now. It's only a small minority of evolutionists who oppose the idea, probably less than 10 percent.

The established scientific opinion nowadays is that therapod dinosaurs such as velociraptor share the same ancestor as modern birds.

As to Miles original question on how scientists know they had feathers, well no feathers have been found on a dinosaur fossil, although they are many preserved feathers in bird fossils.

The evidence for feathers in dinosaurs relates to the presence of what the evolutionists believe are quill knobs on the forearm bones of some therapod dinosaurs, consistent with feathers having been there.

It is widely accepted now by the scientific community, I have no idea what Laing is trying to suggest, but the entire evolutionary community now believes some dinosaurs were feathered and that they evolved into birds.

Just google any 'reputable' source, it's considered a fact of science now.

Of course I personally don't believe it, I just think evolutionists redraw their designs of what creatures looked like based on what they want them to have evolved from.

The completely false and innacurate depictions of Neanderthals, the Lucy skeleton, Java man, the Taung fossil etc in musuems and literature also attest to this fact.

I'm not trying to get you to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds. You were originally claiming that dinosaurs descended from birds. Now you've realised you were completely wrong and you're trying to bullshit your way out of this without having to admit that you're an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about..

[Kev]

Show me one single scientific paper or quote from a scientist that alleges birds evolved into dinosaurs.

ha I can't believe that the evolutionist is trying get the creationist to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds.

Firstly I do NOT believe dinosaurs evolved into birds, secondly science is adament that the case for dinosaur bird evolution is as strong as ape to man evolution now. It's only a small minority of evolutionists who oppose the idea, probably less than 10 percent.

The established scientific opinion nowadays is that therapod dinosaurs such as velociraptor share the same ancestor as modern birds.

As to Miles original question on how scientists know they had feathers, well no feathers have been found on a dinosaur fossil, although they are many preserved feathers in bird fossils.

The evidence for feathers in dinosaurs relates to the presence of what the evolutionists believe are quill knobs on the forearm bones of some therapod dinosaurs, consistent with feathers having been there.

It is widely accepted now by the scientific community, I have no idea what Laing is trying to suggest, but the entire evolutionary community now believes some dinosaurs were feathered and that they evolved into birds.

Just google any 'reputable' source, it's considered a fact of science now.

Of course I personally don't believe it, I just think evolutionists redraw their designs of what creatures looked like based on what they want them to have evolved from.

The completely false and innacurate depictions of Neanderthals, the Lucy skeleton, Java man, the Taung fossil etc in musuems and literature also attest to this fact.

I'm not trying to get you to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds. You were originally claiming that dinosaurs descended from birds. Now you've realised you were completely wrong and you're trying to bullshit your way out of this without having to admit that you're an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about..

First off it's dinosaurs evolved INTO birds not FROM birds and secondly it's not MY opinion it's the standard universal opinion of evolutionary science.

I don't believe in macro evolution at all in the molecule to man, or dinosaur to bird sense, I am merely highlighting how the image of one of the most popular dinosaurs has been totally reinvented by evolutionary science in recent years as they attempt to indoctrinate their belief that therapod dinosaurs were the ancestors of birds.

They are trying to put into the public consciousness the idea that therapod dinosaurs evolved into birds, and as a result are now redrawing the ideas of what these dinosaurs looked like to manipulate popular belief.

I didn't find an extreme example of what a velociraptor looks like based on one nutjobs opinion, the second picture is the STANDARD depiction of a velociraptor in current evolutionary books on dinosuars, websites and in the media. If you don't like the image and think its bollocks (as do I) then take issue with the evolutionary scientists not me

[Kirkland Laing]

ha I can't believe that the evolutionist is trying get the creationist to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds.

Firstly I do NOT believe dinosaurs evolved into birds, secondly science is adament that the case for dinosaur bird evolution is as strong as ape to man evolution now. It's only a small minority of evolutionists who oppose the idea, probably less than 10 percent.

The established scientific opinion nowadays is that therapod dinosaurs such as velociraptor share the same ancestor as modern birds.

As to Miles original question on how scientists know they had feathers, well no feathers have been found on a dinosaur fossil, although they are many preserved feathers in bird fossils.

The evidence for feathers in dinosaurs relates to the presence of what the evolutionists believe are quill knobs on the forearm bones of some therapod dinosaurs, consistent with feathers having been there.

It is widely accepted now by the scientific community, I have no idea what Laing is trying to suggest, but the entire evolutionary community now believes some dinosaurs were feathered and that they evolved into birds.

Just google any 'reputable' source, it's considered a fact of science now.

Of course I personally don't believe it, I just think evolutionists redraw their designs of what creatures looked like based on what they want them to have evolved from.

The completely false and innacurate depictions of Neanderthals, the Lucy skeleton, Java man, the Taung fossil etc in musuems and literature also attest to this fact.

I'm not trying to get you to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds. You were originally claiming that dinosaurs descended from birds. Now you've realised you were completely wrong and you're trying to bullshit your way out of this without having to admit that you're an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about..

First off it's dinosaurs evolved INTO birds not FROM birds and secondly it's not MY opinion it's the standard universal opinion of evolutionary science.

I don't believe in macro evolution at all in the molecule to man, or dinosaur to bird sense, I am merely highlighting how the image of one of the most popular dinosaurs has been totally reinvented by evolutionary science in recent years as they attempt to indoctrinate their belief that therapod dinosaurs were the ancestors of birds.

They are trying to put into the public consciousness the idea that therapod dinosaurs evolved into birds, and as a result are now redrawing the ideas of what these dinosaurs looked like to manipulate popular belief.

I didn't find an extreme example of what a velociraptor looks like based on one nutjobs opinion, the second picture is the STANDARD depiction of a velociraptor in current evolutionary books on dinosuars, websites and in the media. If you don't like the image and think its bollocks (as do I) then take issue with the evolutionary scientists not me

On the previous page you were arguing that dinosaurs descended from birds.

[Kev]

I'm not trying to get you to prove dinosaurs evolved into birds. You were originally claiming that dinosaurs descended from birds. Now you've realised you were completely wrong and you're trying to bullshit your way out of this without having to admit that you're an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about..

First off it's dinosaurs evolved INTO birds not FROM birds and secondly it's not MY opinion it's the standard universal opinion of evolutionary science.

I don't believe in macro evolution at all in the molecule to man, or dinosaur to bird sense, I am merely highlighting how the image of one of the most popular dinosaurs has been totally reinvented by evolutionary science in recent years as they attempt to indoctrinate their belief that therapod dinosaurs were the ancestors of birds.

They are trying to put into the public consciousness the idea that therapod dinosaurs evolved into birds, and as a result are now redrawing the ideas of what these dinosaurs looked like to manipulate popular belief.

I didn't find an extreme example of what a velociraptor looks like based on one nutjobs opinion, the second picture is the STANDARD depiction of a velociraptor in current evolutionary books on dinosuars, websites and in the media. If you don't like the image and think its bollocks (as do I) then take issue with the evolutionary scientists not me

On the previous page you were arguing that dinosaurs descended from birds.

Of course I don't think science claims dinosaurs descended from birds, I must have made a typo.

It is interesting however even here that the earliest full bird is considerd by some to be Protoavis, a debate rages as to whether its a bird or a dinobird.

If it is a full bird that would put the evolution of birds as earlier than the earliest therapod dinosaurs but that is a long way from generally agreed scientific opinon and not what I'm talking about here.

No, the generally accepted scienitific belief is that therapod dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, its no longer seriously questioned apart from an outspoken group led by Alan Fedducia as I said earlier.

So back on topic, are you saying that science DOESN'T claim that velociraptor now looks like that second turkey monster in my pic?

[Kirkland Laing]

First off it's dinosaurs evolved INTO birds not FROM birds and secondly it's not MY opinion it's the standard universal opinion of evolutionary science.

I don't believe in macro evolution at all in the molecule to man, or dinosaur to bird sense, I am merely highlighting how the image of one of the most popular dinosaurs has been totally reinvented by evolutionary science in recent years as they attempt to indoctrinate their belief that therapod dinosaurs were the ancestors of birds.

They are trying to put into the public consciousness the idea that therapod dinosaurs evolved into birds, and as a result are now redrawing the ideas of what these dinosaurs looked like to manipulate popular belief.

I didn't find an extreme example of what a velociraptor looks like based on one nutjobs opinion, the second picture is the STANDARD depiction of a velociraptor in current evolutionary books on dinosuars, websites and in the media. If you don't like the image and think its bollocks (as do I) then take issue with the evolutionary scientists not me

On the previous page you were arguing that dinosaurs descended from birds.

Of course I don't think science claims dinosaurs descended from birds, I must have made a typo.

It is interesting however even here that the earliest full bird is considerd by some to be Protoavis, a debate rages as to whether its a bird or a dinobird.

If it is a full bird that would put the evolution of birds as earlier than the earliest therapod dinosaurs but that is a long way from generally agreed scientific opinon and not what I'm talking about here.

No, the generally accepted scienitific belief is that therapod dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, its no longer seriously questioned apart from an outspoken group led by Alan Fedducia as I said earlier.

So back on topic, are you saying that science DOESN'T claim that velociraptor now looks like that second turkey monster in my pic?

You wrote :

Actually to be more precise, it's the viw that science wants to convey it looked like in current books and literature to emphasise that they believe that therapod dinosaurs like velociraptor were the descendents of birds.

So being as precise as you could, yesterday, you were claiming that dinosaurs descended from birds.

But maybe it was just a precise typo. But then you did it again :

Erm every single scientist apart from Alan Fedducia who is the lone ornithologist voice against the therapod evolution of birds into dinosaurs.

Maybe it's just two typos and you really do know what you're talking about.


On what basis are you claiming that science has changed its opinion on what velociraptors looked like? On how they were portrayed in a Hollywood film?

[CGM]

Do you prefer the old image Bilbo? Do you think is is somehow "more likely"? Do you have an opinion on what a velociraptor probably looked like?