floyd turns down Mosley....

[kingfrnk]

Im kinda glad he turned down the fight just so people can say he ducked Mosley HAHAHAHA. Would i want to see the fight hell yea. the point is once somebody big wins their gonna want him to fight floyd why hes fukking retired damn let it go move on.

[BoomBoom]

Great champions go for the biggest challenges, not the biggest money. Floyd should have fought Mosley a couple years ago. He should have fought Margarito or Cotto a couple years ago. Margarito, Mosley, and Cotto were (are) all top guys at Welterweight. They have all fought each other. Thats what champions do. Floyd has been handling his career as delicately as a crystal wine glass since leaving Lightweight. His biggest win since then has been against an undersized Hatton. I hope he stays retired, because coming back to take on a safe, but sellabe challenge would only amout to another ppv sparring session that I think all boxing fans could do without.

[JonesJrMayweather]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

[BoomBoom]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I agree with that. Id say where ever they stand on the ATG rankings, they should be close...and neither too close to the top

[Pugilistic]

Even though i would love to see this fight, Mayweather has retired.

Its not like he is looking into other fights.

[ElTerribleMorales]

dude give the guy a fucking break, i'm not even a Mayweather fan and yet i'm sick of all this thrashing, hell like someone else mentioned he hasn't said he's interested in fighting anyone, and hell for most of you nothing he does will be enough, he can come back beat Cotto, Mosley, and then Pacquiao, retire again and then some of you will still be bitching that he didn't fight Berto or Williams, get off the dudes back already

[Von Milash]

Floyd = chicken. Bottom line.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Calzaghe = chicken. Bottom line.

completely agree with you on that one

[TitoFan]

Floyd who?

[zhubin]

I think this would be a fun fight. Floyd is the younger and more skilled fighter, but Shane has tremendous heart and seems to have gotten a second wind. I am curious how the inactivity will effect Floyd...he has not fought in quite some time...so if he does come back and takes on a fighter of Shane's caliber...he needs to be his usual sharp self.

[Andre]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I agree with that. Id say where ever they stand on the ATG rankings, they should be close...and neither too close to the top

Me too.
Both great fighters with huge skills, maybe the best, but both left a few unanswered questions by treading too carefully when the time was ripe to go for it.

[Althugz]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

[JonesJrMayweather]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

well sure floyd is higher, but honestly speaking corrales and castillo got their fame by beating each other...although diego was very good at the lower weights he was limited and not really a p4p fighter. castillo was tough. much can be said for kessler and lacy.

now floyd's fights with chavez,hernandez,manfredy, and oscar are what may give him the edge but then calzaghe beat bhop...then bhop smashed pavlik so the argument of bhop being way past it loses weight. so i think they're even...

floyd may well could beat mosley,cotto,margo,berto,williams,clottey but he didn't and he doesn't get ranked high because of possible victories, he has to actually do it. and there's no need for the "what ifs" because these guys are right here in the states and in his era....

[Althugz]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

well sure floyd is higher, but honestly speaking corrales and castillo got their fame by beating each other...although diego was very good at the lower weights he was limited and not really a p4p fighter. castillo was tough. much can be said for kessler and lacy.

now floyd's fights with chavez,hernandez,manfredy, and oscar are what may give him the edge but then calzaghe beat bhop...then bhop smashed pavlik so the argument of bhop being way past it loses weight. so i think they're even...

floyd may well could beat mosley,cotto,margo,berto,williams,clottey but he didn't and he doesn't get ranked high because of possible victories, he has to actually do it. and there's no need for the "what ifs" because these guys are right here in the states and in his era....

Sure, he beat Bhop..or did he? Many people don't think he did...but I'll take that arguement because it's what the record books say at the end of the day.

Fair point.

However, the whole point about Corales is that people were 50/50 as to who was going to win that fight. Floyd took a big risk and dominated him. It annoys me when people say Floyd 'NEVER' took risks. Sure, he was more conservative in his selection later on but I personally don't think that the guy is actually 'scared' of anyone.

I just think Floyd achieved more and didn't stay in a dead division which he could have done and dominated like Calzaghe for years. If anything he is guilty of moving up too quickly without facing all elite fighters in the division but it's a trade off...do you want to win belts in multiple divisions or stay in one division and be dominant?

Which one is right or wrong? Which feat is more impressive? These are another set of variables that could be argued..

[JonesJrMayweather]

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

well sure floyd is higher, but honestly speaking corrales and castillo got their fame by beating each other...although diego was very good at the lower weights he was limited and not really a p4p fighter. castillo was tough. much can be said for kessler and lacy.

now floyd's fights with chavez,hernandez,manfredy, and oscar are what may give him the edge but then calzaghe beat bhop...then bhop smashed pavlik so the argument of bhop being way past it loses weight. so i think they're even...

floyd may well could beat mosley,cotto,margo,berto,williams,clottey but he didn't and he doesn't get ranked high because of possible victories, he has to actually do it. and there's no need for the "what ifs" because these guys are right here in the states and in his era....

Sure, he beat Bhop..or did he? Many people don't think he did...but I'll take that arguement because it's what the record books say at the end of the day.

Fair point.

However, the whole point about Corales is that people were 50/50 as to who was going to win that fight. Floyd took a big risk and dominated him. It annoys me when people say Floyd 'NEVER' took risks. Sure, he was more conservative in his selection later on but I personally don't think that the guy is actually 'scared' of anyone.

I just think Floyd achieved more and didn't stay in a dead division which he could have done and dominated like Calzaghe for years. If anything he is guilty of moving up too quickly without facing all elite fighters in the division but it's a trade off...do you want to win belts in multiple divisions or stay in one division and be dominant?

Which one is right or wrong? Which feat is more impressive? These are another set of variables that could be argued. .

which is why i say theyre the same....each one is good in its own right...can't penalize guy for not changing weight classes because the heavys never change and ali is considered p4p and atg...