floyd turns down Mosley....

[JonesJrMayweather]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

[BoomBoom]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I agree with that. Id say where ever they stand on the ATG rankings, they should be close...and neither too close to the top

[Pugilistic]

Even though i would love to see this fight, Mayweather has retired.

Its not like he is looking into other fights.

[ElTerribleMorales]

dude give the guy a fucking break, i'm not even a Mayweather fan and yet i'm sick of all this thrashing, hell like someone else mentioned he hasn't said he's interested in fighting anyone, and hell for most of you nothing he does will be enough, he can come back beat Cotto, Mosley, and then Pacquiao, retire again and then some of you will still be bitching that he didn't fight Berto or Williams, get off the dudes back already

[Von Milash]

Floyd = chicken. Bottom line.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Calzaghe = chicken. Bottom line.

completely agree with you on that one

[TitoFan]

Floyd who?

[zhubin]

I think this would be a fun fight. Floyd is the younger and more skilled fighter, but Shane has tremendous heart and seems to have gotten a second wind. I am curious how the inactivity will effect Floyd...he has not fought in quite some time...so if he does come back and takes on a fighter of Shane's caliber...he needs to be his usual sharp self.

[Andre]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I agree with that. Id say where ever they stand on the ATG rankings, they should be close...and neither too close to the top

Me too.
Both great fighters with huge skills, maybe the best, but both left a few unanswered questions by treading too carefully when the time was ripe to go for it.

[Althugz]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

[JonesJrMayweather]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

well sure floyd is higher, but honestly speaking corrales and castillo got their fame by beating each other...although diego was very good at the lower weights he was limited and not really a p4p fighter. castillo was tough. much can be said for kessler and lacy.

now floyd's fights with chavez,hernandez,manfredy, and oscar are what may give him the edge but then calzaghe beat bhop...then bhop smashed pavlik so the argument of bhop being way past it loses weight. so i think they're even...

floyd may well could beat mosley,cotto,margo,berto,williams,clottey but he didn't and he doesn't get ranked high because of possible victories, he has to actually do it. and there's no need for the "what ifs" because these guys are right here in the states and in his era....

[Althugz]

i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

well sure floyd is higher, but honestly speaking corrales and castillo got their fame by beating each other...although diego was very good at the lower weights he was limited and not really a p4p fighter. castillo was tough. much can be said for kessler and lacy.

now floyd's fights with chavez,hernandez,manfredy, and oscar are what may give him the edge but then calzaghe beat bhop...then bhop smashed pavlik so the argument of bhop being way past it loses weight. so i think they're even...

floyd may well could beat mosley,cotto,margo,berto,williams,clottey but he didn't and he doesn't get ranked high because of possible victories, he has to actually do it. and there's no need for the "what ifs" because these guys are right here in the states and in his era....

Sure, he beat Bhop..or did he? Many people don't think he did...but I'll take that arguement because it's what the record books say at the end of the day.

Fair point.

However, the whole point about Corales is that people were 50/50 as to who was going to win that fight. Floyd took a big risk and dominated him. It annoys me when people say Floyd 'NEVER' took risks. Sure, he was more conservative in his selection later on but I personally don't think that the guy is actually 'scared' of anyone.

I just think Floyd achieved more and didn't stay in a dead division which he could have done and dominated like Calzaghe for years. If anything he is guilty of moving up too quickly without facing all elite fighters in the division but it's a trade off...do you want to win belts in multiple divisions or stay in one division and be dominant?

Which one is right or wrong? Which feat is more impressive? These are another set of variables that could be argued..

[JonesJrMayweather]

I won't defend him for anything else but putting him on the same page as Calzaghe?? No way..

The guy became a world champ in his 18th or 19th fight. Won titles in 5 different weight classes. Has fought legit threats and live opponents in or close to their peaks. (Corales undefeated, Ricky Hatton undefeated, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, Oscar with all advantages in Oscar's favour, Judah).

Sure, he has faced a few dead bodies in there along the way but putting him in the same vein as Calzaghe is taking the piss...You're comparing Floyd to a guy who fought nobodies (apart from an old, short notice Eubank) until his 43rd or so fight.

Blegit, you've made the smartest post so far. Well done. People forget to mention that Floyd was calling Mosely out closer to both of their primes. Now that Mosely is somehow on top again, a retired Floyd is 'ducking' him? Pathetic.

well sure floyd is higher, but honestly speaking corrales and castillo got their fame by beating each other...although diego was very good at the lower weights he was limited and not really a p4p fighter. castillo was tough. much can be said for kessler and lacy.

now floyd's fights with chavez,hernandez,manfredy, and oscar are what may give him the edge but then calzaghe beat bhop...then bhop smashed pavlik so the argument of bhop being way past it loses weight. so i think they're even...

floyd may well could beat mosley,cotto,margo,berto,williams,clottey but he didn't and he doesn't get ranked high because of possible victories, he has to actually do it. and there's no need for the "what ifs" because these guys are right here in the states and in his era....

Sure, he beat Bhop..or did he? Many people don't think he did...but I'll take that arguement because it's what the record books say at the end of the day.

Fair point.

However, the whole point about Corales is that people were 50/50 as to who was going to win that fight. Floyd took a big risk and dominated him. It annoys me when people say Floyd 'NEVER' took risks. Sure, he was more conservative in his selection later on but I personally don't think that the guy is actually 'scared' of anyone.

I just think Floyd achieved more and didn't stay in a dead division which he could have done and dominated like Calzaghe for years. If anything he is guilty of moving up too quickly without facing all elite fighters in the division but it's a trade off...do you want to win belts in multiple divisions or stay in one division and be dominant?

Which one is right or wrong? Which feat is more impressive? These are another set of variables that could be argued. .

which is why i say theyre the same....each one is good in its own right...can't penalize guy for not changing weight classes because the heavys never change and ali is considered p4p and atg...

[Taeth]

Let's compare Oscar when he fought Mayweather to Mosley now. Oscar before fighting Mayweather beat the crap out of Mayorga, not only only dropping him with a left hook in the first round (Trinidad stopped Mayorga to the body, and couldn't hurt Mayorga upstairs even when Mayorga gave him freeshots to his jaw), but Oscar also picked Mayorga apart with his jab until he hurt Mayorga and stopped him on the ropes in the sixth round. People said Mayorga was super shot after the Trinidad fight, but around the same time Mosley was fighting Vargas, the first fight was really close, and going in Vargas' favor except that he had bad swelling which rendered him unable to defend himself against the right hand, and the ref stopped it. In the second fight Vargas was terribly weight drained, and looked like a zombie as him and Mosley both looked ineffective until Mosley landed a huge left hook, but he didn't dominate the rounds leading up to the KO anywhere near to the degree Oscar did. Then Mayorga and Vargas fight, and the "shot" Mayorga beats Vargas and drops him 3 times over their 12 round, ugly, fight.

In the meantime Mosley beat Collazo, but Collazo broke his hand and still Mosley wasn't able to land very many effective punches, and even though he won most of the rounds, he certainly didn't dominate them. Then he lost a close fight to Cotto where he was outtimed, outboxed, outpowered by Cotto, and only his great chin saved him. Then Mosley fought 12 ineffective rounds against an older Mayorga than Oscar fought, and didn't look anywhere near as good as De La Hoya did.

My point is that the Oscar, Mayweather fought was at least on Mosley's level in terms of how dangerous he was, clearly a bigger puncher than Mosley, more effective offensively. Oscar was beating Margarito up as sparring partner for quite some time, but people payed no attention to that when I brought it up. Oscar also was never bruised or battered when Mosley was his chief sparring partner, while he was in the lead up to the Pacquiao fight. My point is that

[JonesJrMayweather]

Let's compare Oscar when he fought Mayweather to Mosley now. Oscar before fighting Mayweather beat the crap out of Mayorga, not only only dropping him with a left hook in the first round (Trinidad stopped Mayorga to the body, and couldn't hurt Mayorga upstairs even when Mayorga gave him freeshots to his jaw), but Oscar also picked Mayorga apart with his jab until he hurt Mayorga and stopped him on the ropes in the sixth round. People said Mayorga was super shot after the Trinidad fight, but around the same time Mosley was fighting Vargas, the first fight was really close, and going in Vargas' favor except that he had bad swelling which rendered him unable to defend himself against the right hand, and the ref stopped it. In the second fight Vargas was terribly weight drained, and looked like a zombie as him and Mosley both looked ineffective until Mosley landed a huge left hook, but he didn't dominate the rounds leading up to the KO anywhere near to the degree Oscar did. Then Mayorga and Vargas fight, and the "shot" Mayorga beats Vargas and drops him 3 times over their 12 round, ugly, fight.

In the meantime Mosley beat Collazo, but Collazo broke his hand and still Mosley wasn't able to land very many effective punches, and even though he won most of the rounds, he certainly didn't dominate them. Then he lost a close fight to Cotto where he was outtimed, outboxed, outpowered by Cotto, and only his great chin saved him. Then Mosley fought 12 ineffective rounds against an older Mayorga than Oscar fought, and didn't look anywhere near as good as De La Hoya did.

My point is that the Oscar, Mayweather fought was at least on Mosley's level in terms of how dangerous he was, clearly a bigger puncher than Mosley, more effective offensively. Oscar was beating Margarito up as sparring partner for quite some time, but people payed no attention to that when I brought it up. Oscar also was never bruised or battered when Mosley was his chief sparring partner, while he was in the lead up to the Pacquiao fight. My point is that

Dude I've learned not to be so bullheaded, because a lot of the guys on here are pretty knowledgeable and cool cats. Therefore I try to leave insults out.

BUT YOU MUST BE ON FUCKING CRACK If you believe the oscar over mayorga victory was "telling" in terms of who was dangerous. That was a set up fight to help boost oscar's legitamacy as to a real PBF opponent. Mayorga had one easy fight in nearly two years after tito blasted his ass.

then the vargas that oscar beat courtesy of a another tito blasting. was roughly the same. then you try and discredit mosley for beating in the first fight. UHHH how the fuck did his head swell up? Because mosley was pounding him with right hands. then scored the tko in the second fight. And the fights with fernando were at 154...shane is too bulky at 154 as i told you three years ago. Oscar carries the weight better. example he looked much better against floyd at 154 than he did against manny at 147... as shane looked better against collazo,cotto, and marg, at 147 than he did against vargas,winky,mayorga @ 154...

Either you're just a super dooper floyd fan or you really dislike mosley because you've never given him credit for shit. Hell so what collazo hurt his hand...gatti beat ward with a broken hand. Roy beat hopkins with a broken wrist. And tell me how in the hell oscar leading up to the pbf fight was more dangerous than mosely..

oscar lost to mosley, then strum regardless of the decesion, kayoed by hop, then beat out of shaped rusty mayorga then fought pbf...

where as shane has only one close loss to cotto since losing another competitive fight with winky in 2004.