The Dynamic Power Of Wing Chun

[Heavy D]

Alright...watched the videos.

The "real" fight is clearly either anything but, or the big dude isn't all there upstairs. No self respecting person would fight like that (hands not just down, but down and out, like he's powering up DBZ style, only to throw the worst punch I've probably ever seen.)

The Wing Chun vs Kickboxer wasn't bad, but that looks like a case of a better fighter against a worse fighter, not anything art vs art related. I could have destroyed that kick boxer :P It did show, however, some practical application of WC, which is nice.

Third video is all demonstration stuff, and I never take any of that seriously. If someone was gonna throw something at me half speed with my prior knowledge, I'll counter with a "boxing" punch in just as effective a manner as he showed.

[hanlon]

The first video the smaller guy was definitly wing chun, if you have taken any wing chun classes you can recognize the style immediatly, the squared stance, hands down with a relaxed fist or open hand, the first kick to keep the guy back (a kick that wing chun users are taught), then especially the chain punch, he uses, along with the relentless elbows, after he starts his attack he makes no attempt to back off, then again with the stomping (destroy your opponent). Of course, the big guy definitly isnt a trained fighter (probably picking fights thinking "Im bigger and stronger") but it does show that Wing chun can be a very practical self defence style.

Ya in the second video the wing chun guy does seem to dominate alot, which isn't something that should happen at equal levels of different styles. I beleive it depends on skill level in the art that you are learning, which is why I dont believe that wing chun suks as a striking style and that it can be very effective in the streets and in actual mma matches, just need to wait for a guy that can actually do it properly, since wing chun doesnt have a history of "organized fighting."

Third video was just a bit of the concepts taught by wing chun, it wasnt really meant to show wing chun as this awesome martial arts, but educate on how wing chun people do things. Also, do you see the part where he is doing sticking hands blind folded on the core trainer at his feet? In sticking hands you push against the opponent even though it doesnt really show it at that part, to be able to balance yourself, prevent yourself from being pushed, and push back with ease, is concept that is taught regularly in wing chun. Im a pretty big guy myself, muscular wise stronger and heavier then probably 95% of the student in my class, however, some of the more advance student and my teacher are still able to push me back with ease, control my hands even though I am trying hard to stop them.

[Heavy D]

I know about sticky hands, and I don't think it's a bad exercise at all...I find it fun, in fact. It helps in many ways, from reaction time to your ability to feel and counter your opponent. However, I still don't think it's a substitute for the sparring regime boxing or MMA training can throw at you. I personally tend to learn quicker when the penalty for failure to do so is a bit more serious.

[VictorCharlie]

If there was a traditional martial art that would work well in MMA we would already know about it. Other than some very rudimentary skills the traditional martial arts do not transition to MMA very well.

[hanlon]

No, of course not, it definitly cant replace regular sparring and mma is mixed martial arts, so its like 3,4,5,6 martial arts in one, it definitly has an advantage over a single art such as wing chun. Of course im no professional or hardcore fighter, the most I take is classes, maybe a few spars now and then with friends, however it doesnt replace the fact that wing chun isnt something people should take likely

also vanchild the reason why wing chun isnt really well represented in mma leagues especially the ufc is because unlike muay thai or boxing it doesnt have a history of organized competetive fighting. TKD you use body padding and headgear in fights and not allowed to punch to the face, and alot of them you can't really "fight" like you do in kickboxing and whatever, wing chun is the same. However, as of now there are people starting to use wingchun in serious organized competitions, and there should be a few entering, I think there was one steven something in the euro mma league.

Also in the past wing chun practitioners complained the the MMA rules prevented them from using many of their favorite techniques and as such didnt go because they would have disadvantage against other ones who could go all out with their techniques, however, now that the rules have evolved and wing chun people have adapted their attacking style to the rules they can use wing chun as a striking style in MMA effieciently, of course they will have to learn grappling and ground work, but so do other striking style users.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I don't mean to disrespect the system of fighting - each martial art has its masters that deserve respect, but the defensive system doesn't seem very reliable and plenty of shots get through.

A boxing/Muay Thai textbook punch/elbow could easily get throuygh here.

[hanlon]

Wing chun definitly isnt a defensive art, basically the concept that just about my teacher and every site Ive read is:

Teaches the fastest and most efficient way to destroy your opponent (maybe not destroy exactly)

Wing Chun is a offensive art, you constantly push forward, attacking and defending in the same movement, using small powerful wingchun punches instead of big swings, taking your opponent down as fast as possible and making sure he doesnt get up using whatever is in your arsenal, this is one of the problems, organized mma fights you aren't allowed to use everything in your arsenal, cant downward elbow, stomp on their face, sometimes my teach even say if you want kick him in the nutz, because thats what wing chun is, in street whatever you do goes, so wing chun is basically a organized way to do everything possible to take down your opponent and most of the "masters" trained like this (not exactly eye gouging but pretenting too) so theyve spent alot of their time practicing techniques that are illegal in UFC and such. Wing Chun is basically about move forward and pound your opponent more then they pound you, something that is really possible with the techniques wing chun teach you (not the illegal stuff), and its not techniques liek you see in movies and such like "tiger pounce" or "swan kick" its really just basic stuff, doesnt need a fancy name, there are only 3 "forms" in this kung fu, each one teaches a "basic" block or attack you can use.