The ATA TKD fighters I sparred were just how snakey described, threw nothing but kicks and once you get inside life sucks for them. No matter what form of it you come across you're constantly gonna question it, as there's always abunch of useless shit that needs to be disregarded especially in real situations. That windmill kick only worked because the dumb little shit was standing there bouncing around like hes been taught for years and years. If he was moving around and feinting no way it would of happend, like that anyway. I had alot of fun in the years I did it, but was also lucky enough to train with a small intense group who made me aware of all the things in TKD that are for the art itself and not for self defense. Who in the world needs a 360 crescent in their arsenal, really