Geez these f'ers are crazy.

[El Kabong]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

Did anyone get stoned to death? Did anyone get their heads cut off? Was anyone killed?

You know there is a personality disorder that attracts people like Haggerty and Jim Bakker to religion...I'm sure there are muslim imams that do the same damn thing. They want to be like democrats, telling everyone what to do while living by their own rules when no one is looking.

[El Kabong]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement
6. is interpersonally exploitative
7. lacks empathy
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

[VictorCharlie]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

Let me once again preface this post by saying that I have no use for organized religion nor oppose gay marriage. Biblical scripture is pretty straight forward on being against homosexuality. One can interpret how he wants but it definately doesn't give a glowing endorsement. So while not forgiving him for being a meth using hypocrite would you really expect him to not be against gay marriage? Christians do not believe its a "christ like" lifestyle. While I don't personally agree I can certainly understand that its is a strongly held personal religious belief. Strangely enough homosexual acts are pervasive in many Islamic cultures. I've actually witnessed this in two different islamic countries. (don't ask) Of course any two individuals that attempted to be openly gay would be met with a severe punishment.

Armin while I can agree that one organized religion isn't better than another it can't be denied that in today's world Islam is leading the way in radicals commiting heinous acts of violence and human right violations. More importantly through state sponsored religion these things are being done almost as a national policy with international implications. Is this due to Islam's doctrine, regional issues or ethnic traditions? I don't know but if you can't see that Islam's follower are at a crucial point in their religion's history where they need to decide what direction it is going to go then I question your objectivity.

[armin]

Van I'm glad you agree that one religion isn't more evil than another because that's all I was getting at. As for in todays world, I already stated that there are more loonies and hard line extremists in islam than other religions, but I don't think its due to islams doctrine. And yes hopefully muslims everywhere will not give in control of their religion completely to hard line extremists and hopefully can cleanse themselves of these elements.

[Trainer Monkey]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

Did anyone get stoned to death? Did anyone get their heads cut off? Was anyone killed?

You know there is a personality disorder that attracts people like Haggerty and Jim Bakker to religion...I'm sure there are muslim imams that do the same damn thing. They want to be like democrats, telling everyone what to do while living by their own rules when no one is looking.

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

[El Kabong]

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

How many honor killings and mutilations happen to girls in islam a day just because they are going to fucking school or because THEY got raped?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Jjy_eVaGI

I know certain parts of our own population in the western world struggle because of stereotypes and misconceptions and just plain fear of someone being different but it's usually not to the level where someone gets killed or mutilated and if it is to that level the people who committed the crime are punished for their actions.

[Andre]

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

How many honor killings and mutilations happen to girls in islam a day just because they are going to fucking school or because THEY got raped?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Jjy_eVaGII know certain parts of our own population in the western world struggle because of stereotypes and misconceptions and just plain fear of someone being different but it's usually not to the level where someone gets killed or mutilated and if it is to that level the people who committed the crime are punished for their actions.

If both sides knew how to learn from their scriptures properly they would realise they should be simply recognizing their ego so that it dies off and leaves control of their mind to their real self.

Instead they oppose ego in others; so it grows and strengthens in themselves further secretly, because it strives on you thinking it is you and the dramas created increase the ego in both sides; like an argument does or agreement also! if your ego gets to be backed up from it.(there is the mental catch 22 that leads into emotion and feeling, further springing the trap).

Religion /politics are now generated by the exact same force from within the human pshce, except its now totally on mass which makes all the egos feel even more correct. Others on the outer,can blame goverments ,some others blame God and his false followers from both main religions (the trap has even them), so all are casualties of the same trap.
Until they go back to the start and deal with it within themselves on their own,there will be no answer and no deliverance.

[Kirkland Laing]

I didn't bother posting in this thread because we've done this argument before. Yes lots of Muslims are a bunch of backward savages but that's because they live in societies predominately made up of religious conservatives and liberal voices and values in their societies are shut out. If America hadn't had a couple of hundred years of liberalism Americans would still be burning witches.


Anyway :

Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.
Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder........






Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.............




"Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible," Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said today.




Prominent Orchard Park man charged with beheading his wife : Police Blotter : The Buffalo News




I think Mr. Hassan should be applauded for his efforts to help portray Muslims in a more positive light and heal the cultural divisions in our society, but I can't help feeling that he's gone and undermined his efforts somewhat with the beheading of his wife.


And I agree with the D.A. I just can't think of a more serious form of domestic abuse than chopping your spouse's head off.

[Von Milash]

Muslims are still nuts and totally useless.

[VictorCharlie]

Kirk,

I came across that article and thought about this thread but decided we had said enough. Anyway what irony. The guy attempts to portray good hardworking Muslims and becomes the stereotype. I'm waiting for Trainer Monkey to post some domestic atrocity by a Baptist minister or something. The channel is a good idea I would simply like to see the muslims in America and Europe taking a more vocal activism against their radical brothers. I think this more than anything would help push back the stigma

[Andre]

Kirk,

I came across that article and thought about this thread but decided we had said enough. Anyway what irony. The guy attempts to portray good hardworking Muslims and becomes the stereotype. I'm waiting for Trainer Monkey to post some domestic atrocity by a Baptist minister or something. The channel is a good idea I would simply like to see the muslims in America and Europe taking a more vocal activism against their radical brothers. I think this more than anything would help push back the stigma

Wouldnt we all ,but they live in fear of them more than they fear being post holed by all of us.

*Much like the evil Bapist priests who prey on our childrens as$es and the sheep who follow them and dont take sides . There ,Trainer monkeys work is all done for him.

He is busy in another thread standing up for the crap diet pros are forced to eat and something about his telephone ringing if an amature ever turns pro and wants to fight an undercard. I have no idea what that has to with...

Just for the record : The price of fish is topping out at $23.95 per kilo here for king george whiting.

[Trainer Monkey]

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

How many honor killings and mutilations happen to girls in islam a day just because they are going to fucking school or because THEY got raped?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Jjy_eVaGI
I know certain parts of our own population in the western world struggle because of stereotypes and misconceptions and just plain fear of someone being different but it's usually not to the level where someone gets killed or mutilated and if it is to that level the people who committed the crime are punished for their actions.

Wait,let me get this right,your argument is "Since they can act f-ed up,we can act even more f-ed up"?
Whats next,"We raped slightly less women"?

[Andre]

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

How many honor killings and mutilations happen to girls in islam a day just because they are going to fucking school or because THEY got raped?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Jjy_eVaGII know certain parts of our own population in the western world struggle because of stereotypes and misconceptions and just plain fear of someone being different but it's usually not to the level where someone gets killed or mutilated and if it is to that level the people who committed the crime are punished for their actions.

Wait,let me get this right,your argument is "Since they can act f-ed up,we can act even more f-ed up"?
Whats next,"We raped slightly less women"?

Your putting words in his mouth ,I never heard him say that or even insinuate that!

Dont you think he is pointing out that they are by far worse than us in these acts against helpless people.

We dont allow our worse criminals to be that callous, horrific and cruel against helpless people without them having to pay for their actions when caught.

[El Kabong]

Trainer, what do you have to say to the families of the barbers in Pakistan who got their heads cut off for shaving beards off of people who were paying for that service?

[Von Milash]

I've been thinking about this, and the conclusion that comes to mind is that TM is confused as to root causes. A fag doesn't get killed in the name of God. Those idiots are nothing but ignorant redneck cunts, not true Christians. Christianity, while having its kooks, does in no way support the actions of the radical few/insane. Islam does, and it supports hatred of ANYONE who is not Muslim. Nowhere in the teachings of any other religion does it say or support hating or killing those who are not like you.

So Islam DOES suck, Muslims DO suck, because the root cause, Islam, perpetuates and promotes hatred and torture.

Torture in the Quran and early Islam
The bottom line: Jesus Christ came with good news and the love of God. As the eternal Son of God, he came to save people and to transform them from the inside out. If people do not want this, then they are free to go their own way. This is religious freedom. On the other hand, being only a human messenger (Suras 3:144; 39:30; 41:6) who needed to control his religion and Muslims, Muhammad came with crucifixion and mutilation and torture. This is religious slavery.
Christianity advances society forward. Islam drags society backwards.
Jesus saves. Muhammad tortured.