How well would a Gay boxer do?

[Wayne]

Why the fuk would a boxer want to be openly gay anyways? I mean, it's not like there are many openly straight boxers are there? Ninety Five percent of the fighters we have no idea about their sexuality, anyways.

But what's the assumption always? Heterosexual. And he bangs lots of chicks. We have to acknowledge that if he's gay he's probably banging a lot of dudes. A friend of mine is a gay and he told me it is extremely easy for two dudes to hook up.

What you say about it being easy for two guys to hook up is probably true, but irrelevant to the question, about being openly gay in boxing or any other sport. And I might well ask you "What assumption". Do you really think the majority of boxing fans make assumptions about, or even give a moment's thought to, the sexuality of their favorite boxer? Or who he's banging? I would respectfully suggest that a big name fighter needs to focus on what he does, which is boxing, and not make any kind of a public issue about his sexuality. Cause it really ain't anyone's business but his own.

No, I think the public at large assume the people they idolize is like them. Most people aren't gay and I think they assume as much in athletes. No, most boxers don't come out and say, "I'm straight and proud," but it's just like being white (at least in America). Most people are and more than likely the face you see when you turn on your TV will be too. I'm not saying whether or not any particular thing is bad or good. I'm just talking about what I believe people's assumptions are.

[CGM]

But what's the assumption always? Heterosexual. And he bangs lots of chicks. We have to acknowledge that if he's gay he's probably banging a lot of dudes. A friend of mine is a gay and he told me it is extremely easy for two dudes to hook up.

What you say about it being easy for two guys to hook up is probably true, but irrelevant to the question, about being openly gay in boxing or any other sport. And I might well ask you "What assumption". Do you really think the majority of boxing fans make assumptions about, or even give a moment's thought to, the sexuality of their favorite boxer? Or who he's banging? I would respectfully suggest that a big name fighter needs to focus on what he does, which is boxing, and not make any kind of a public issue about his sexuality. Cause it really ain't anyone's business but his own.

No, I think the public at large assume the people they idolize is like them. Most people aren't gay and I think they assume as much in athletes. No, most boxers don't come out and say, "I'm straight and proud," but it's just like being white (at least in America). Most people are and more than likely the face you see when you turn on your TV will be too. I'm not saying whether or not any particular thing is bad or good. I'm just talking about what I believe people's assumptions are.

OK I see your point about that. However, I still go back to my original point about why be open at all. Maybe your are right about what would happen if a big name fighter a public splash about being gay and proud. But I don't think the reaction would be as bad as you apparently assume. In any case I go back to my original point and say why bother? Like I said, the vast majority of boxers we don't know what their sexuality is, regardless of what our assumptions might be. Because they choose not to make a public issue of their sexuality. And no I don't buy into the argument that they need to be in your face about being gay because they are an oppressed minority.

[Trainer Monkey]

Of course boxing fans could just grow up about it. Ignoring the amount of lesbians in womens boxing,if you just run the percentage numbers,theres a major gay male boxer out there somewhere. Id have no idea who,but the population percentages would dictate it.

[Youngblood]

What a thwilly thwead.

[Kev]

Of course boxing fans could just grow up about it. Ignoring the amount of lesbians in womens boxing,if you just run the percentage numbers,theres a major gay male boxer out there somewhere. Id have no idea who,but the population percentages would dictate it.

Women's boxing isn't a spectator sport though Monkey, people don't care about women lesbians being boxers because the world at large doesn't care about women's boxing.

It's like asking how would the public respond to a gay male curling champion or an openly gay kayaker, with the obvious answer being complete indifference because nobody cares about those sports.

The only woman's sport that is successful on a world level is obviously tennis and when Martina Navratilova announced she was a lesbian there was huge worldwide press attention.

Even today she is still more well known for being a dyke than she is for being the greatest singles, doubles and mixed doubles player of all time.

[Trainer Monkey]

Of course boxing fans could just grow up about it. Ignoring the amount of lesbians in womens boxing,if you just run the percentage numbers,theres a major gay male boxer out there somewhere. Id have no idea who,but the population percentages would dictate it.

Women's boxing isn't a spectator sport though Monkey, people don't care about women lesbians being boxers because the world at large doesn't care about women's boxing.

It's like asking how would the public respond to a gay male curling champion or an openly gay kayaker, with the obvious answer being complete indifference because nobody cares about those sports.

The only woman's sport that is successful on a world level is obviously tennis and when Martina Navratilova announced she was a lesbian there was huge worldwide press attention.

Even today she is still more well known for being a dyke than she is for being the greatest singles, doubles and mixed doubles player of all time.

Apparantly it keeps getting booked as a loss leader then huh?
Id rather watch a Mahfood or Wolfe fight then a Valuev fight,any rational fan of the sport would

[Kev]

Of course boxing fans could just grow up about it. Ignoring the amount of lesbians in womens boxing,if you just run the percentage numbers,theres a major gay male boxer out there somewhere. Id have no idea who,but the population percentages would dictate it.

Women's boxing isn't a spectator sport though Monkey, people don't care about women lesbians being boxers because the world at large doesn't care about women's boxing.

It's like asking how would the public respond to a gay male curling champion or an openly gay kayaker, with the obvious answer being complete indifference because nobody cares about those sports.

The only woman's sport that is successful on a world level is obviously tennis and when Martina Navratilova announced she was a lesbian there was huge worldwide press attention.

Even today she is still more well known for being a dyke than she is for being the greatest singles, doubles and mixed doubles player of all time.

Apparantly it keeps getting booked as a loss leader then huh?
Id rather watch a Mahfood or Wolfe fight then a Valuev fight,any rational fan of the sport would

I don't mean it won't make money or that it has no fans Monkey I just mean the world at large doesn't watch it.

If Anne Wolfe came out as a lesbian then it might raise a few eyebrows within the boxing world, (especially as most probably think if she confessed to anything it would be to be being born a man) but the reaction from 99.9% of the world population would be 'Anne who?'

Mens boxing though is different, the world class fighters at the elite of the sport are far far far far far (add another 25000000 zero's at least) more well known than Anne Wolfe is and so it would be a far bigger deal and would get talked about at the very least.

Again this isn't a knock on woman's boxing you could say the same for any other female sport apart from tennis, and you could say it about 90% of all sports other than the big few like soccer, American football, tennis, Formula One, Baseball etc.

Nobody in Britian would care if a member of our national hockey team was gay or even the whole team as we simply wouldnt know because we don't play hockey but if any footballer in the UK announced he was gay (like Justin Fashanu did) he can expect a barracking from the terraces and songs being chanted about him for the rest of his career and beyond.

[Trainer Monkey]

Women's boxing isn't a spectator sport though Monkey, people don't care about women lesbians being boxers because the world at large doesn't care about women's boxing.

It's like asking how would the public respond to a gay male curling champion or an openly gay kayaker, with the obvious answer being complete indifference because nobody cares about those sports.

The only woman's sport that is successful on a world level is obviously tennis and when Martina Navratilova announced she was a lesbian there was huge worldwide press attention.

Even today she is still more well known for being a dyke than she is for being the greatest singles, doubles and mixed doubles player of all time.

Apparantly it keeps getting booked as a loss leader then huh?
Id rather watch a Mahfood or Wolfe fight then a Valuev fight,any rational fan of the sport would

I don't mean it won't make money or that it has no fans Monkey I just mean the world at large doesn't watch it.

If Anne Wolfe came out as a lesbian then it might raise a few eyebrows within the boxing world, (especially as most probably think if she confessed to anything it would be to be being born a man) but the reaction from 99.9% of the world population would be 'Anne who?'

Mens boxing though is different, the world class fighters at the elite of the sport are far far far far far (add another 25000000 zero's at least) more well known than Anne Wolfe is and so it would be a far bigger deal and would get talked about at the very least.

Again this isn't a knock on woman's boxing you could say the same for any other female sport apart from tennis, and you could say it about 90% of all sports other than the big few like soccer, American football, tennis, Formula One, Baseball etc.

Nobody in Britian would care if a member of our national hockey team was gay or even the whole team as we simply wouldnt know because we don't play hockey but if any footballer in the UK announced he was gay (like Justin Fashanu did) he can expect a barracking from the terraces and songs being chanted about him for the rest of his career and beyond.

I got news,most of the world isnt watching male or female boxing,except the die hards.
Alot of why I got in to the promotion and management end of it in the first place,is I wanted to see the fights I wanted to see,not one tomato can after another being beaten senseless by another contender.
Ive just about gotten Mahfood/Bontz wrapped up,and Im looking forward to seeing it,because I dont have a clue who'se going to win.
Those are the type of fights boxing needs
Not 35-0 vs,we just found this guy

[amat]

To TM's credit Bilbo I think he was talking about Laila Ali.

Otherwise, he's crazy. It's REALLY stupid to reason with him and I assure you it's much more fun just to be straight up mean to him, but I won't for a minute.

Trainer, who had the bigger deal made when they came out, John Amaechi or Sheryl Swoopes? A hall of fame female basketball player or a journeyman center who played for like 5 years? It was Amaechi and if you want to argue that then you are wrong. That caused such a stir and people got fined/fired for what they said after hearing that because of the stir.

It would be so detrimental for everyone involved except maybe those at the top if there was an openly gay boxer. Maybe an opportunity to make some money but every sport has a great degree of homophobia. Athletes, guys in general are homophobic or at least not comfortable with competing against gays. It's not something you want to think about.

Could you imagine if Ricardo Mayorga fought an openly gay fighter? Those gay rights loons would literally turn up in the 1000's at a weigh in. Boxing is MORE susceptible to homophobia because there is no governing body to keep fighter's comments in check with fines/suspensions. In the NBA you can't say faggot to a reporter because David Stern will take a paycheck away or suspend you. The UFC probably would too. Who would in boxing?

[Gandalf]

I think it would be great to have a gay boxer mincing around at a press conference with Mayorga. He could be topless with his nipples painted blue and strutting around with a pink feather boa. The gay that is, not Mayorga. Meanwhile Mayorga would be beating on his chest with his arms like king kong, shouting "fuck you, creepy, gay, homo, gypsy girl.....you have sex with Oscar Delahoya! Raaaaghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!". Etc.

Erm....hours of fun there.

[Wayne]

What you say about it being easy for two guys to hook up is probably true, but irrelevant to the question, about being openly gay in boxing or any other sport. And I might well ask you "What assumption". Do you really think the majority of boxing fans make assumptions about, or even give a moment's thought to, the sexuality of their favorite boxer? Or who he's banging? I would respectfully suggest that a big name fighter needs to focus on what he does, which is boxing, and not make any kind of a public issue about his sexuality. Cause it really ain't anyone's business but his own.

No, I think the public at large assume the people they idolize is like them. Most people aren't gay and I think they assume as much in athletes. No, most boxers don't come out and say, "I'm straight and proud," but it's just like being white (at least in America). Most people are and more than likely the face you see when you turn on your TV will be too. I'm not saying whether or not any particular thing is bad or good. I'm just talking about what I believe people's assumptions are.

OK I see your point about that. However, I still go back to my original point about why be open at all. Maybe your are right about what would happen if a big name fighter a public splash about being gay and proud. But I don't think the reaction would be as bad as you apparently assume. In any case I go back to my original point and say why bother? Like I said, the vast majority of boxers we don't know what their sexuality is, regardless of what our assumptions might be. Because they choose not to make a public issue of their sexuality. And no I don't buy into the argument that they need to be in your face about being gay because they are an oppressed minority.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

[Trainer Monkey]

I dont know why anybody cares about a boxers sexuality anyway,its not like youd ever want to see most of them doing it on tape. Valuev has a relatively hot wife,now picture him climbing on top of her and rutting away,now try and sleep tonight.

[Wayne]

I dont know why anybody cares about a boxers sexuality anyway,its not like youd ever want to see most of them doing it on tape. Valuev has a relatively hot wife,now picture him climbing on top of her and rutting away,now try and sleep tonight.

That poor woman. Beastiality is a sin.

[CGM]

No, I think the public at large assume the people they idolize is like them. Most people aren't gay and I think they assume as much in athletes. No, most boxers don't come out and say, "I'm straight and proud," but it's just like being white (at least in America). Most people are and more than likely the face you see when you turn on your TV will be too. I'm not saying whether or not any particular thing is bad or good. I'm just talking about what I believe people's assumptions are.

OK I see your point about that. However, I still go back to my original point about why be open at all. Maybe your are right about what would happen if a big name fighter a public splash about being gay and proud. But I don't think the reaction would be as bad as you apparently assume. In any case I go back to my original point and say why bother? Like I said, the vast majority of boxers we don't know what their sexuality is, regardless of what our assumptions might be. Because they choose not to make a public issue of their sexuality. And no I don't buy into the argument that they need to be in your face about being gay because they are an oppressed minority.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

Narrow it down a bit. We have covered a few issues here. On which point specifically do you refer to with your last remark?