Quote Originally Posted by Von Milash View Post
So Andre, I have no doubt that after all these years of study you're a tough fellow to mess with. But here's what gets me... you always hear guys defend wing chun in terms of "well it can't be shown to work in a real situation or in mma because it would kill someone." Specifically, you hear of eye gouges and the like, so my question to you is, do you really need to study all those years to learn how to gouge someone's eyes? I know nothing about WC but I'll BET I can gouge someone's eyes out with the best of them. That's just fighting dirty. In addition to gouging eyes, I can bite, kick to the groin and shins, pull hair, headbutt, bend someone's finger back until it breaks, etc.

BTW, if you can get someone in a leg lock and snap their knee before they tap, perfectly legit in mma.
Its a system within itsself mate. And Im not tough at all,probably was once but im very fast for a 50 year old .

To do those things you mentioned is one thing and to be honest I know men, jail birds etc who are untrained and would just rip someone apart in any way they can, Im mean you know and so do i that there are diffenernet people out here in the world and the ones with zero consiouss are the worse and cant lose cause they are comming at you for your whole life until your finished or maimed unless you kill them on the first day,or avoid them totaly,which is an art too;to be able to even get onside with someone like that,aside from not fighting them.

Anyway wing chun is a set 3 form system that at the finish all blends into ione fighting system that unfortunatley cant be used unless you do want to finish some completly. It starts out by strengthing your core system through the small idea stagnent form which also trains your mind and muscles like a very slow motion tai chi with reverse mind /body strength exersizes entwined into the correct form.


This sorts out the impatient from the club and many leave during the initial year of work,and thats a good thing, its designed for that too.

The next form in 2 to 3 years time is chum kill, its when wing chun starts to move more and you learn the bridging form so you can move in and out through all distances safley and know the threats in each. It also teaches you to move in and out from the inside of peoples arms to the outside of their arms in saftey as well as from the in fight to the out fight and back again.
wing chun punches are straight as youve seen and the footwork behind them is what turns them into crosses etc. they are the fastest of combination punches as you can see but as you now they lack some strength compared to other styles.

Anyway the last form you learn is the thrusting fingers form,this incorperates everything you have learned except with the punches which are mainly elbows in, as you've seen, the fingers and arms in this form act like fast snakes, the whole thing is desigined around the three main joints up each arm and the effect if faster than the wing chun punches and the targets are all dim mak intent or eyes throat under the arm penetrations are big too (which upset the heart meridian). Gouges probably the wrong word,more full finger penetration throughthe eyeswith thewrist coking and fireing on the end of each strike is more to the point;
actually the whole last form is about bringing all the forms together for unarmed combat in a real situation with arm breaks,locks,and finger strikes etc the thing that glues together wing chun is the chi sao or sticking hands exersies which give your forearms a feeling as to when to relaese whe to resist so when advanced it a flowing yet explosive thing to see.
As far as knee breaks goes its more likle to go down double armed grabs and direct their weight over a knee and stomp it or double slips around arms into their eyes tie them up and heel kick the knee thats got the weight on it still etc.

So you see you just cant go around doing that,you're better off walking the streets looking like Hyme out of Get smart and avoiding the natural crazies by being clever enough to know your limits and your aura thats emitting signals to these types.

If they come at you cause they think your soft target well they arnt the real thing and they pay.
Ive got some mates who rob anyone who dares to fuk with them and I think rightly so.If some punk wants to take your stuff let him crawl home tapping his way naked robbed and beaten.

ive other aquantainces that my mates who would maime you and rob you if you tried to takle them dont even go to the same places as cause they know they are natuarally for real.
I mean you seen it too bro you have to pull those types off of people cause they havent any control they dont know when to stop thats why they learnt their stuff inside the hole.The end game of wing chun is reserved for those types as is the end game of most martial arts. But wing chun is unfortuantely a system that links so you really do have to put the brakes on and its limiting because of it and you see only mid level wing chun fighters trying their luck in other fields.
I thikk theres much that every combat art has offer all others though , none is better or worse its down to a personal make up and their build and their mental and spiritual limits.The top en from each are rarley seen out their own place people generally come to them,they dont have an ego so in that sence ,no fight /no blame. the so called masters who fight publicly are only blacks i karate etc or tenth levels in others etc the real masters wouldnt even think about combat in order to prove something.