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    Default Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?

    Hatton isn't big but he cuts of the ring great, and he has incredible footspeed, its really hard to get away from him as Malignaggi and Mayweather fought out, but Mayweather didn't really use a whole lot of lateral movement against Hatton or De La Hoya, he is so good defensively he goes straight back into the ropes either comes forward quickly(which he did, and landed cleanly a ton of times on Hatton) or he avoids everything that is thrown his way off the ropes.

    Obviously Pacquiao isn't the same type of fighter, but he used a lot more movement against Oscar, and I think that trumped Oscar a lot, because when he get Floyd on the ropes Mayweather stayed there and allowed Oscar to get off ineffective flurries that looked good if you aren't counting what is landing. Against Hatton, he tied Hatton up more, Joe Cortez jumped in too quickly, but eventually his pot shots cought up with Ricky. I think Pacquiao has similar if not a little better footspeed than Hatton, and he will move around and catch Hatton coming/leaping in with that left cross. If Hatton can get Manny on the ropes it should be really interesting, but I think when Morales and Marquez and Barrera have had Pacquiao on the ropes, he looks crazy with all his body movement, but I don't think they land as much as the commentators give them credit for landing. I think he is a lot harder to hit than some people think.

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    I think Roach is going to come up with a good game plan for Ricky's attack..

    A bit like the one time in the DLH fight were Oscar had him against the ropes for a few seconds and landed a couple of gimme's.. Roach immediately said once he returned to the corner "As soon as you feel your back touch the ropes, get out of there.. You don't belong against the ropes"..
    It was obviously an emphasis of that fight and a genuine part of the game plan to keep the fight in the middle and don't let DLH have any advantage by having up against the ropes and limiting his space..

    Ricky is much much better at cutting off the ring though, and if he gets the chance to overpower Pac and doesn't suffer from to many lefts coming in, Pac will have a little more to worry about... But I think Pac will train and train at turning Hatton when he feels the ropes closing in behind him, and honestly I think that could be a very key part of a Pac victory if he wins.. The ability he has to turn out of trouble as often as possible when Hatton starts to get the upper hand and pushing him back..

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    Default Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Hatton isn't big but he cuts of the ring great, and he has incredible footspeed, its really hard to get away from him as Malignaggi and Mayweather fought out, but Mayweather didn't really use a whole lot of lateral movement against Hatton or De La Hoya, he is so good defensively he goes straight back into the ropes either comes forward quickly(which he did, and landed cleanly a ton of times on Hatton) or he avoids everything that is thrown his way off the ropes.

    Obviously Pacquiao isn't the same type of fighter, but he used a lot more movement against Oscar, and I think that trumped Oscar a lot, because when he get Floyd on the ropes Mayweather stayed there and allowed Oscar to get off ineffective flurries that looked good if you aren't counting what is landing. Against Hatton, he tied Hatton up more, Joe Cortez jumped in too quickly, but eventually his pot shots cought up with Ricky. I think Pacquiao has similar if not a little better footspeed than Hatton, and he will move around and catch Hatton coming/leaping in with that left cross. If Hatton can get Manny on the ropes it should be really interesting, but I think when Morales and Marquez and Barrera have had Pacquiao on the ropes, he looks crazy with all his body movement, but I don't think they land as much as the commentators give them credit for landing. I think he is a lot harder to hit than some people think.
    I should have just pointed up and wrote "What he said"... I think I said the exact same thing as you just different words..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
    PAC can be driven back and might be glued to the ropes but it only happens for a few seconds... PAC is too quick on his foot and can easily move to either side...

    Just be careful when you try to corner PAC... That's where he's very dangerous and he will act like a cornered tiger... We saw this in the Morales 3rd fight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPea View Post
    I've been thinking of the upcoming Pacquiao-Hatton fight and comparing it to the Floyd-Hatton fight.

    I gave Ricky almost no chance to beat Floyd, and my logic was simple: I didn't see a single spot in the ring where Ricky could beat Floyd.

    In the center of the ring, Floyd would be dominant. Hatton fans were banking on Ricky's ability to push him to the ropes, but having watched Floyd over the years, I knew that Floyd knew how to protect himself on the ropes and throw quick counters. So even when Ricky did push Floyd's back against the ropes, he wasn't able to get many effective shots in.

    Pacquiao should also be able to outquick Hatton in the center of the ring.

    But when Ricky is able to push him to the ropes, how will Pacquiao fare? I ask because I can't think of a single instance where Pacquiao has been forced to fight with his back to the ropes.
    I think Pacquiao has been the one coming forward through his career that's why we really haven't seen him fighting against the ropes. On occasions against Marquez, Morales, Barrera when they let their hands go did Pac have to fight on the ropes. IMO, seeing how Pac guards his face when he's on the ropes leaves him open for body shots. I think Marquez was the only fighter that went to his body whenever Pac was on the ropes.

    Against De La Hoya, Roach kept telling Pacquiao "As soon as you feel the ropes behind you, move to the side and get out of there right away." I'm assuming they'll go with a similar game plan for Hatton.
    Last edited by C-Lo; 02-25-2009 at 02:07 PM. Reason: forgot

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    Default Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?

    It's gonna be hell for Pac if he stays long there. Ricky is a butcher when he corners his opponent. That ring is gonna be his slaughter house. Pac better make it a target range so thing turns out well for him.
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    Default Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?

    "in and out, side to side, and if you feel your back touching the ropes... go under and out".

    -Freddie Roach

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    Default Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?

    I think what Sweet Pea is asking was already answered by Chubby.

    The only time that I can recall Pacquiao being on the ropes one too many a time for his own good, was in the Pacquiao VS Morales I. This is with the Pacquiao version we all know in this side of the globe.

    The oriental version... he did a bit of fighting on the ropes, but not excessively as a weapon defensively. More than anything, it was more of a situation more enforced by the opposition, as he has not learnt the ability to stay out of the ropes, and the necessity to do so in those days was not a priority nor a concern.

    Prior to his US campaign, I remember seeing Pacquiao on the ropes on his fights, "occasionally", employing this as defensive stance in times of confusion. He got away with it because the opposition is not the same caliber as the big three, MAB, EM, and JMM, and the like.

    I think he was on the ropes and on the defensive, heavily attacked, when Nadel Hussein dropped him, but Pac still somehow managed to finish the fight winning it by a TKO. At this time, still escaping with the win, did not make him realize that with his skillset, staying away from the ropes is playing to his advantage, and strength.

    It was later on with Roach, and after the beating he experienced at the hands of Morales in the first fight, did I notice a conscious effort to stay off the ropes whenever he fights. Most especially the Morales 2, when Viloria working as a color analyst for a Philippine PPV station, and who trained with Pacquiao prior to the fight, unconsciously provided inside information repeatedly in his side commentaries indicating this guideline of Roach to Pacquiao in staying off the ropes.

    Since then, seldom will you find Pacquiao doing his version of the rope-a-dope. This adjustment is such a source of accomplishment, for he has never lost any fight since!
    Last edited by KananKrus; 02-25-2009 at 10:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KananKrus View Post
    I think what Sweet Pea is asking was already answered by Chubby.

    The only time that I can recall Pacquiao being on the ropes one too many a time for his own good, was in the Pacquiao VS Morales I. This is with the Pacquiao version we all know in this side of the globe.

    The oriental version... he did a bit of fighting on the ropes, but not excessively as a weapon defensively. More than anything, it was more of a situation more enforced by the opposition, as he has not learnt the ability to stay out of the ropes, and the necessity to do so in those days was not a priority nor a concern.

    Prior to his US campaign, I remember seeing Pacquiao on the ropes on his fights, "occasionally", employing this as defensive stance in times of confusion. He got away with it because the opposition is not the same caliber as the big three, MAB, EM, and JMM, and the like.

    I think he was on the ropes and on the defensive, heavily attacked, when Nadel Hussein dropped him, but Pac still somehow managed to finish the fight winning it by a TKO. At this time, still escaping with the win, did not make him realize that with his skillset, staying away from the ropes is playing to his advantage, and strength.

    It was later on with Roach, and after the beating he experienced at the hands of Morales in the first fight, did I notice a conscious effort to stay off the ropes whenever he fights. Most especially the Morales 2, when Viloria working as a color analyst for a Philippine PPV station, and who trained with Pacquiao prior to the fight, unconsciously provided inside information repeatedly in his side commentaries indicating this guideline of Roach to Pacquiao in staying off the ropes.

    Since then, seldom will you find Pacquiao doing his version of the rope-a-dope. This adjustment is such a source of accomplishment, for he has never lost any fight since!
    I think that is a definitive answer to the question... If Hatton were to use his strengths against Pacquiao then Hussien's tactics were pretty effective.
    YouTube - Manny Pacquiao v Nedal Hussein rd 4

    But unless Mayweather Sr. words are just a smoke screen we won't see any of the old Hatton.

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    Default Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KananKrus View Post
    I think what Sweet Pea is asking was already answered by Chubby.

    The only time that I can recall Pacquiao being on the ropes one too many a time for his own good, was in the Pacquiao VS Morales I. This is with the Pacquiao version we all know in this side of the globe.

    The oriental version... he did a bit of fighting on the ropes, but not excessively as a weapon defensively. More than anything, it was more of a situation more enforced by the opposition, as he has not learnt the ability to stay out of the ropes, and the necessity to do so in those days was not a priority nor a concern.

    Prior to his US campaign, I remember seeing Pacquiao on the ropes on his fights, "occasionally", employing this as defensive stance in times of confusion. He got away with it because the opposition is not the same caliber as the big three, MAB, EM, and JMM, and the like.

    I think he was on the ropes and on the defensive, heavily attacked, when Nadel Hussein dropped him, but Pac still somehow managed to finish the fight winning it by a TKO. At this time, still escaping with the win, did not make him realize that with his skillset, staying away from the ropes is playing to his advantage, and strength.

    It was later on with Roach, and after the beating he experienced at the hands of Morales in the first fight, did I notice a conscious effort to stay off the ropes whenever he fights. Most especially the Morales 2, when Viloria working as a color analyst for a Philippine PPV station, and who trained with Pacquiao prior to the fight, unconsciously provided inside information repeatedly in his side commentaries indicating this guideline of Roach to Pacquiao in staying off the ropes.

    Since then, seldom will you find Pacquiao doing his version of the rope-a-dope. This adjustment is such a source of accomplishment, for he has never lost any fight since!
    I think that is a definitive answer to the question... If Hatton were to use his strengths against Pacquiao then Hussien's tactics were pretty effective.
    YouTube - Manny Pacquiao v Nedal Hussein rd 4

    But unless Mayweather Sr. words are just a smoke screen we won't see any of the old Hatton.
    Hussein lost the fight bro!!! Imitating a loser won't help Hatton!

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