The Amazing Race: Pacquiao vs. JM Marquez for P4P supremacy

[The Shadow]

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

[Youngblood]

The dot system. I like it. I prefer to use the system though.

Right now,

Pac

JMM

So there it is.

JMM 4 's for the win!

[XaduBoxer]

The dot system. I like it. I prefer to use the system though.

Right now,

Pac

JMM

So there it is.

JMM 4 's for the win!

Would you care to explain why JMM is having more in your book than PAC??
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[Youngblood]

To annoy you, basically.

You are hyping David Diaz out of proportion, and failing to take notice that OLDH was in very poor form in PAC's fight. Now don't get me wrong, I like Pac too, but atleast be honest about things. What we saw last night was a performance under extreme pressure from a great fighter that far exceded the 2 previous Pac fights.

I'd sorta like to see Pac slip outta p4p until the hatton fight and then see what happens, for I feel JMM has earned it with his grit and choices. Certainly earned it enough for this discussion to take place.

[XaduBoxer]

To annoy you, basically.

You are hyping David Diaz out of proportion, and failing to take notice that OLDH was in very poor form in PAC's fight. Now don't get me wrong, I like Pac too, but atleast be honest about things. What we saw last night was a performance under extreme pressure from a great fighter that far exceded the 2 previous Pac fights.

I'd sorta like to see Pac slip outta p4p until the hatton fight and then see what happens, for I feel JMM has earned it with his grit and choices. Certainly earned it enough for this discussion to take place.

Like I said, PAC's wins over JMM, DDiaz and Hoya is far greater than JMM's wins over Casa and JDiaz. Do you agree with me?

To those who said PAC is cherry picking opponents... Hoya offered the fight to PBF and Hatton then both declined. Hoya offered the fight to PAC then you're criticizing PAC in accepting the Hoya fight??
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[TitoFan]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

[XaduBoxer]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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[Taeth]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Please, Oscar was dominated as was David Diaz throughout the whole fight. JMM won stopped both Juan Diaz and Joel Casamayor, but those fights were very close, and his opponents were landing nearly as much as he was agains them. I would bet money that Pacquiao would beat both of them easier than JMM did.

Look at both of them against Barrera: Pacquiao beat Barrera much more one sidedly, while Marquez's fight with Antonio was competitive.

Juan Diaz lost to Nate Campbell, Oscar has lost to Mayweather and Hopkins before facing Pacquiao, he looked good at 150 against Forbes, winning nearly every round. Pacquiao made Oscar look more shot than he actually was, and I still say Oscar would beat some of the top WW's out there.

Not only that, but Pacquiao has been improving while JMM is now on the decline, he's easier to hit, he stands and trades more, even though he is technically sound, he isn't the same guy he was just a few years ago. Pacquiao still has all his speed, power, and he only getting better technically.

[Youngblood]

Do you agree with me?

no.

[XaduBoxer]

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

JMM called out PBF after his win over Juan Diaz yesterday... Some think it's a slap on PAC as JMM stated he's calling out the best P4P boxer out there that's not "afraid" to fight him and he consider that man as PBF...

If PBF comes out of retirement, I think he prefer to fight PAC as against JMM or Mosley or Cotto...
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[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

JMM called out PBF after his win over Juan Diaz yesterday... Some think it's a slap on PAC as JMM stated he's calling out the best P4P boxer out there that's not "afraid" to fight him and he consider that man as PBF...

If PBF comes out of retirement, I think he prefer to fight PAC as against JMM or Mosley or Cotto...
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Who said Pac will take a fight with PBF? If he wont fight JMM again what makes you think he will take one with PBF?

[XaduBoxer]

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

JMM called out PBF after his win over Juan Diaz yesterday... Some think it's a slap on PAC as JMM stated he's calling out the best P4P boxer out there that's not "afraid" to fight him and he consider that man as PBF...

If PBF comes out of retirement, I think he prefer to fight PAC as against JMM or Mosley or Cotto...
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Who said Pac will take a fight with PBF? If he wont fight JMM again what makes you think he will take one with PBF?

Better legacy and tremendous money... Retired P4P no. 1 versus the current P4P no. 1 ...
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[KKisser]

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

JMM called out PBF after his win over Juan Diaz yesterday... Some think it's a slap on PAC as JMM stated he's calling out the best P4P boxer out there that's not "afraid" to fight him and he consider that man as PBF...

If PBF comes out of retirement, I think he prefer to fight PAC as against JMM or Mosley or Cotto...
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Who said Pac will take a fight with PBF? If he wont fight JMM again what makes you think he will take one with PBF?

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