The Amazing Race: Pacquiao vs. JM Marquez for P4P supremacy

[Youngblood]

To annoy you, basically.

You are hyping David Diaz out of proportion, and failing to take notice that OLDH was in very poor form in PAC's fight. Now don't get me wrong, I like Pac too, but atleast be honest about things. What we saw last night was a performance under extreme pressure from a great fighter that far exceded the 2 previous Pac fights.

I'd sorta like to see Pac slip outta p4p until the hatton fight and then see what happens, for I feel JMM has earned it with his grit and choices. Certainly earned it enough for this discussion to take place.

[XaduBoxer]

To annoy you, basically.

You are hyping David Diaz out of proportion, and failing to take notice that OLDH was in very poor form in PAC's fight. Now don't get me wrong, I like Pac too, but atleast be honest about things. What we saw last night was a performance under extreme pressure from a great fighter that far exceded the 2 previous Pac fights.

I'd sorta like to see Pac slip outta p4p until the hatton fight and then see what happens, for I feel JMM has earned it with his grit and choices. Certainly earned it enough for this discussion to take place.

Like I said, PAC's wins over JMM, DDiaz and Hoya is far greater than JMM's wins over Casa and JDiaz. Do you agree with me?

To those who said PAC is cherry picking opponents... Hoya offered the fight to PBF and Hatton then both declined. Hoya offered the fight to PAC then you're criticizing PAC in accepting the Hoya fight??
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[TitoFan]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

[XaduBoxer]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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[TitoFan]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

[XaduBoxer]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

I'm going by the record books, we can't scratch PAC's win over JMM... Also, we all agree that it's a close one and whoever got the W, it was the judges call and we got no problem with that...

[Spicoli]

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

I'm going by the record books, we can't scratch PAC's win over JMM... Also, we all agree that it's a close one and whoever got the W, it was the judges call and we got no problem with that...

Wow....have you ever had a problem with a judges call?Dont believe everything you read

[Kev]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

Casamyor was in his prime? He'd looked shit in every fight since his third fight with Corales. Casamyor is more done than Erik Morales. He lost every round to Santa Cruz, got punched out of the ring by mediocre Michael Katsidis and then got sparked by Marquez. He's more shot than Oscar without question, Oscar has more chance of becoming world champ again than Casamayor.

[KKisser]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

[TitoFan]

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

I hate Oscar, so I'm not one to defend him. But are you implying that Oscar WASN'T completely past his prime, and pretty well shot, when he fought Pac? 'Cause if you are... you are in a definite minority.

[JazMerkin]

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

No, Casamayor had not lost 3 of his previous 6 fights in the preceding 5 years (not including the Sturm debacle which is officially a win). He'd only lost twice in 11 fights & those were against Corrales & Castillo. In contrast in that time whilst ODLH's wins were against Sturm (see above), Mayorga & Stevie Forbes. In that time Casamayor beat Nate Campbell, Corrales (twice), Daniel Seda, Santa Cruz (debatable decision) & Michael Katsidis. If Pac had fought almost any of the other belt-holders in 135 division, he would of got much more credit then he did for beating David Diaz. If he beats Hatton as I think he will then there will be no room for debate

[Taeth]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Please, Oscar was dominated as was David Diaz throughout the whole fight. JMM won stopped both Juan Diaz and Joel Casamayor, but those fights were very close, and his opponents were landing nearly as much as he was agains them. I would bet money that Pacquiao would beat both of them easier than JMM did.

Look at both of them against Barrera: Pacquiao beat Barrera much more one sidedly, while Marquez's fight with Antonio was competitive.

Juan Diaz lost to Nate Campbell, Oscar has lost to Mayweather and Hopkins before facing Pacquiao, he looked good at 150 against Forbes, winning nearly every round. Pacquiao made Oscar look more shot than he actually was, and I still say Oscar would beat some of the top WW's out there.

Not only that, but Pacquiao has been improving while JMM is now on the decline, he's easier to hit, he stands and trades more, even though he is technically sound, he isn't the same guy he was just a few years ago. Pacquiao still has all his speed, power, and he only getting better technically.

[Youngblood]

Do you agree with me?

no.