Seen Chris John vs. Rocky Juarez Fight?

[The Fightfan]

I did think Juarez won the champiuonship rounds were it seemed John took it easy. Dumb thing to do if he did. But yes I did have John at a comfortable margin.

[BoomBoom]

If I remember correctly, John was winning the early rounds against JMM too and he faded in that fight also. Seems o be Johns biggest issue.

[J_C]

I thought it was a bullshit decision and had it 9-3 in rounds to John. No question who inflicted more damage and pain come the end but as we know thats not how it works in scoring.

[James_Teja]

It was a hometown cooking.

CJ has a pretty solid chin and great boxing skills. We should see him more in American TV. But I hope he gets a good paycheck next time.

[El Kabong]

John is decent, good chin, good defense, good movement....didn't do anything really great but he did lapse at times and allowed Rocky to stay in the fight rather than totally dominating him.

I called the screw job, it's typical of Rocky Juarez and Houston...the Zahir Raheem fight really opened my eyes to what was going on there and then the scoring for the Barrios fight also disappointed me which is why I was able to say "Chris John is going to get robbed" and have such confidence in my prediction.

[JazMerkin]

John is decent, good chin, good defense, good movement....didn't do anything really great but he did lapse at times and allowed Rocky to stay in the fight rather than totally dominating him.

I called the screw job, it's typical of Rocky Juarez and Houston...the Zahir Raheem fight really opened my eyes to what was going on there and then the scoring for the Barrios fight also disappointed me which is why I was able to say "Chris John is going to get robbed" and have such confidence in my prediction.

I was wondering when you were gonna say somethin' on this

You were right though. At most I could give about 5 of the rounds to Juarez, who IMO was robbed. However, he's not really in a position to complain about that after the JMM fiasco

[TitoFan]

John is decent, good chin, good defense, good movement....didn't do anything really great but he did lapse at times and allowed Rocky to stay in the fight rather than totally dominating him.

I called the screw job, it's typical of Rocky Juarez and Houston...the Zahir Raheem fight really opened my eyes to what was going on there and then the scoring for the Barrios fight also disappointed me which is why I was able to say "Chris John is going to get robbed" and have such confidence in my prediction.

I was wondering when you were gonna say somethin' on this

You were right though. At most I could give about 5 of the rounds to John (I'm guessing you meant Rocky, right?), who IMO was robbed. However, he's not really in a position to complain about that after the JMM fiasco

Typo correction.

[luvfightgame]

I didn't think John got robbed at all. I was thoroughly unimpressed with his pitterpat punches.

And I think if you weren't listening to the commentators and seen that half his punches didn't land you wouldn't think John got robbed either.

Rocky whipped his ass. Sure John threw 199 flyswats a round, but it was weak and did very little damage. Rocky was killing his body and hurt him often.

I thought Lederman's score was insane. No way John won 9-3 rounds. It was close on the cards but John got beat up.

[luvfightgame]

I thought it was a bullshit decision and had it 9-3 in rounds to John. No question who inflicted more damage and pain come the end but as we know thats not how it works in scoring.

Actually it works how ever the judges want it too. I don't give much credit for pitterpat punches. The judge can score based on harder punches, activity, who is going forward or backward, etc.

Personally I don't like guys fighting in reverse and if they don't dominate they don't win the round for me. I like the guy making the fight. In that respect John didn't do so well. I can see it being close on the scorecards but John didn't walk away with this. He got beat up and nearly put down. He was hurt a couple times in the last 2 rounds and if you scored based upon who landed harder punches John wasn't even close to being dominating.

[El Kabong]

Then how did Willie Pep, Pernell Whittaker, and Kid Gavilain win any fights

[luvfightgame]

Then how did Willie Pep, Pernell Whittaker, and Kid Gavilain win any fights

They had someone other than me judging their fights.

[luvfightgame]

The object of the game here is to beat the crap out of the other guy. So I got no problem with guys avoiding damage as long as they try to hurt the other guy. Basically I will always lean toward the aggressor. If they are completely ineffective, of course they lose. But if the block most of the other guys pitter pat punches and land their own hard shots, they get the round for me.

Didn't you ever play Ring King?

[Spicoli]

Straight up here....I thought John won that fight 115-112. Juarez came on late and John got away from boxing & moving instead he was laying in and Juarez capitalized big with power shots,John was swawing tall in the wind.I do believe the crowd and familiarity of Juarez was a big factor.

[luvfightgame]

Straight up here....I thought John won that fight 115-112. Juarez came on late and John got away from boxing & moving instead he was laying in and Juarez capitalized big with power shots,John was swawing tall in the wind.I do believe the crowd and familuarity of Juarez was a big factor.

I think John came on in the middle but lost early and late. Didn't give him the first 3 like Lederman did. He definitely took the middle rounds. But not early for me. I thought he was getting hurt with lots of body shots early and returning with jabs. To me he didn't do anything till middle of the fight. He landed a few good uppercuts and some rights.

[XaduBoxer]

I recall a similar fight between Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa vs. Ponce De Leon... They said DeLeon was outlanding Gerry 2 to 1 but if you look how the fight goes, DeLeon's punches were block by Gerry's gloves and elbows while Gerry landed clean blows to DeLeon's face. In the last round, DeLeon really looked as the beaten boxer running away from Peñalosa and with a swollen eye while Gerry was completely unmarked... The judges? They give all the rounds to DeLeon... Blind judges...

In this fight, John was clearly outlanding Juarez and also done considerable damage on Juarez' face/eyes... John didn't engaged Juarez all the time but you can't call what he's doing as running away... Unlike DeLeon who ran away from Peñalosa...
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