Even if it only till the outcome of Pac/Hatton JMM is PFP#1

[Kev]

Newsflash dude, PFP is not based on any other thing except opinion..

I also stated JMM beating Casamayor was just as good maybe even better that Pac/DLH. Marquez moved up in weight to beat THE RING champion at 135(Casamayor) who had a resume comparably to Delahoya's!!!!

Casamayor was fighting at that weight comfortably for years and is active compared to a part time shell of a fighter who hadnt fought 147 for a friggin decade... Why cant you get that through your head?? name me a fighter who dropped down in weight after 10 years and was successful beating a guy 5 years younger in his prime considered #1 in the world... Oscar's only chance would have been to cut to 147, rehydrate to 160... There isint an fan or expert in the world that didnt see that as the winning equation....

Pac was bigger than Delahoya, Pac had rehydrated to 147 plenty before when he fought at 130.... So why is that such a monumental achievement beating a guy you who you were faster, stronger, bigger, younger in your prime, out of his prime Explain Bilbo please!!!! I dont care about that 6 division champion crap all irrelevant, I care for the here and now, what happened in December because thats what matters....

By that logic of the past, than JMM is even better, because he beat Casamayor who beat Campbell and Campbell beat Diaz... So JMM has wins over both Diaz and Casamayor, by KO to boot

As far as the Diaz's go Jmm's victory over a prime young A rated fighter in Juan is more impressive than Pac's handpicked mediocre win over David Diaz...

Everything you said is just your opinion JT, Pacquaio BEAT Marquez, so he's p4p number 1.

You can argue as much as you like that you think he shouldn't have won it but the FACT is that he did.

That's why the Ring will have Pacquaio as number 1 in the world because their rankings are an attempt at restoring objectivity and credibility to boxing and not allowing personal subjective opinon to hold sway.

You say the rankings are based on opinion, in large case the Ring magazines are not.

Do you think that in order to have Manny as number 1 you have to agree that he deserved to win the fight with Marquez? Or that he would win a rematch? Or that Juan Diaz was a better opponent than Oscar De La Hoya?

No you don't have to agree with ANY of that but Manny still HAS to be number 1 because he BEAT Juan Manuel Marquez according to the OFFICIAL result.

I have no problem with you thinking Marquez should have won the fight against Pacquio, I have no problem with you thinking his performances since have been better and that he fought better opposition.

But the ONLY way he gets to become p4p number 1 is if Manny loses or retires, that's just the way it works.

[OumaFan]

I agree with Bilbo in some ways. I haven't read anything he's posted on this page because he's so long winded but the earlier stuff I agreed with. Anyway its kind of pointless to argue about, there's no one guy that's so far ahead that he's almost an obvious choice, its just opinion.

Addicted to Boxing- Why was it Pacquaio's fault as much as JMM's that the rematch didn't happen earlier. Everything I've ever read about it had Nacho Beristain negotiating his way out of the fight. Clearly JMM wasn't scared but I've always heard it was Nacho's fault, so enlighten us.