Even if it only till the outcome of Pac/Hatton JMM is PFP#1

[Violent Demise]

I don't dispute that and would unhesitatingly put Marquez as THE man in the lightweight division but how does he leapfrog the man who just beat him three fights ago and who has since won another world title at a different weight class and then jumped 3 weight classes to fight a 6 weight world champ and legend in the next fight?

Yes Marquez did fantastically well and has destroyed the two best fighters at lightweight (well Nate Campbell was the best but he's moved up now) but he can't leapfrog Pacquiao who he lost to off the back of that.

And if were going to get all subjective I think there are as many questionmarks over Casamayor and Juan Diaz as there are over David Diaz and Oscar.

Certainly Oscar had looked much better in recent outings than both Casa (who had looked awful against Santa Cruz and Katsidis) and Juan Diaz, who was totally beaten up by Nate Campbell.

There's simply no way a justification can be made for dropping Manny down a place on the back of three outstanding wins against JMM, David Diaz and Oscar De La Hoya each one progressively more dominant than the last.

And if Marquez had got the decision against Manny, I'd be arguing the same for him, that Marquez won the fight and hence was p4p number 1 regardless whether people though Manny won or not.

Only a fool would consider Pacquiao a former Lightweight champion. David Diaz won a vacant title by beating a non-champion. He's was a 3rd tier, paper champion. The fact that Pac decided to face him instead of Joel Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz or even a Julio Diaz is not something that should be bragged about

Maybe not but the way he totally whupped him from the opening bell was!

He whupped a D level fighter. There's only so much credit you can give him

[XaduBoxer]

Only a fool would consider Pacquiao a former Lightweight champion. David Diaz won a vacant title by beating a non-champion. He's was a 3rd tier, paper champion. The fact that Pac decided to face him instead of Joel Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz or even a Julio Diaz is not something that should be bragged about

Maybe not but the way he totally whupped him from the opening bell was!

He whupped a D level fighter. There's only so much credit you can give him

David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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[Spicoli]

Maybe not but the way he totally whupped him from the opening bell was!

He whupped a D level fighter. There's only so much credit you can give him

David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight . The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

[XaduBoxer]

He whupped a D level fighter. There's only so much credit you can give him

David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight . The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight?
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[killersheep]

David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight . The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight?
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

[XaduBoxer]

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight . The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight?
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

Labeling DDiaz a D level makes Cruz an E and Casa a F level fighter...

DDiaz >> Cruz >> Casa ... ok?
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[killersheep]

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight?
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

Labeling DDiaz a D level makes Cruz an E and Casa a F level fighter...

DDiaz >> Cruz >> Casa ... ok?
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No not ok. Medgoen 3k Battery is a D level fighter, does that make PAC an E level fighter? Because you can't have one argument without the other here, just following your logic.

[James_Teja]

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight?
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

Labeling DDiaz a D level makes Cruz an E and Casa a F level fighter...

DDiaz >> Cruz >> Casa ... ok?
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Since those fights were made a couple of years ago, I'd say you difinitely have a valid point!

[Galaxy]

Both Pacquiao & Marquez are great fighters!

Although I thought JMM won the rematch (as well as the 1st) both were extremely close fights that could have gone either way, I have to accept the official verdicts & for that fact alone Pacquiao is still the #1 P4P imo!

Hopefully Pacquiao will get past Hatton & the path will be clear for a rubber match with Marquez... as this is the only real way that the superior fighter can be established!

But given the great/ close fights these two put on when they're in the ring together it may take more than 3 fights to prove who is better!

[Spicoli]

David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight . The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight?
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Ever watch a dog chase his tail?Even on the other side of it,Casamayor is leaps & bounds ahead of Diaz.
ran across this one and having the same effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJy-xtHfHY

[OumaFan]

Bilbo has done good work here.

Saddoboxer,

first time for that one

[sillent killer]

IMO Pac is still p4p#1 on my list