James Toney Has Not Convincingy Won A Fight Since Guinn In 2005

**BoomBoom** · 03-05-2009 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Master

He started so well in the heavyweight division, stopping Holyfield that takes some doing.

I just rewatched that fight recently and more and more Im thinking that holyfield was still effected by his shoulder injury at the time. He started very well in that fight. And Toney wasnt as past it then as he is now so he still had some speed. All those factors made it a tough fight for Holyfield. I do give him credit for that fight though.

**mrbig1** · 03-05-2009 07:07 PM

Let's remember that Toney is a big fat old middleweight. When Toney was younger and in shape both mind and body, He was one of the best fighters in the last 20 years.

**Master** · 03-05-2009 07:08 PM

You have to nobody has stopped him since as old as Holyfield is. Toney's body shots did the trick, classic fighter.

**BoomBoom** · 03-05-2009 07:24 PM

It seems like right around after the fough Holyfield ad Ruiz he really got visibly older. Maybe its that he didnt train enough, or he just got old overnight or maybe his body just cant dish it out anymore. Its probably a combination of those things and being and undersized heavyweight. All the odds have been stacked against him for a few years now. He was a hell of a fighter though.