Abraham calls out Pavlik

[boozeboxer]

I do think this would be a very good fight. Abraham with his sneaky counterpunching power and Kelly with his all out punching power and workrate. I think this fight would come down to Kelly's constant pressure and workrate. Sure you can shoot holes through it like Hopkins did but you really can't hurt him. Honestly we still really don't know about Abraham's chin. I know I know he fought through twelve rounds with Miranda with a broken jaw, but we still have never seen him tested. Pavlik would give him all he handle and probably stop him in eight or nine.

I would like to know what the hell you consider "tested"?

[blegit]

The only thing stopping this fight from happening is the same as it has always been...Pavlik. Pavlik and his team refuse to even negotiate a fight with King Arthur.

[JT Rock]

AA would Ko Pavlik by the 9th round... Abraham is a beast for 160, and has 1 punch Ko power, I can see Kelly getting countered by AA left hook stunned and finished off...

This fight needs to happen

[ClubberLang]

The problem with this fight as far as Arum sees it is it's a VERY high risk fight--one many believe Pavlik will lose--against a guy who really brings little money to the table because he is unknown in the states. You can't really blame Top Rank from an economic view point. But Arum has said he wants Pavlik to fight three more times this year a possibly put Abraham on an undercard to build hype for the fight late this year or early next. Abraham is going to have to leave Germany and get on American TV if he wants to build the fight into something economically viable.

On the other hand, there really aren't many options for Pavlik at 160. It's a weak division right now. The only other candidates who people would care about seeing are the Winky-Williams winner and maybe Sturm. A Duddy fight would do good business at the gate but wouldn't be competitive. Forrest's name has been mentioned. Not many attractive options.

[CFH]

The problem with this fight as far as Arum sees it is it's a VERY high risk fight--one many believe Pavlik will lose--against a guy who really brings little money to the table because he is unknown in the states. You can't really blame Top Rank from an economic view point. But Arum has said he wants Pavlik to fight three more times this year a possibly put Abraham on an undercard to build hype for the fight late this year or early next. Abraham is going to have to leave Germany and get on American TV if he wants to build the fight into something economically viable.

On the other hand, there really aren't many options for Pavlik at 160. It's a weak division right now. The only other candidates who people would care about seeing are the Winky-Williams winner and maybe Sturm. A Duddy fight would do good business at the gate but wouldn't be competitive. Forrest's name has been mentioned. Not many attractive options.

Arum seems to want to milk Pavlik for all he's worth at this point. It's understandable from a business point of view as Pavlik could sell out arenas in Ohio and Atlantic City fighting mediocre opposition. They're talking about matching him against Sergio Mora next, again in Ohio; that's even more of a gimme than Rubio was (and I'm one of the few Sergio Mora fans).

Someone else mentioned it earlier in this thread (I can't remember who), but I agree that Top Rank are waiting out Abraham because he's not going to be able to stay at the weight much longer. He's already has trouble making weight in the past.

[ClubberLang]

The problem with this fight as far as Arum sees it is it's a VERY high risk fight--one many believe Pavlik will lose--against a guy who really brings little money to the table because he is unknown in the states. You can't really blame Top Rank from an economic view point. But Arum has said he wants Pavlik to fight three more times this year a possibly put Abraham on an undercard to build hype for the fight late this year or early next. Abraham is going to have to leave Germany and get on American TV if he wants to build the fight into something economically viable.

On the other hand, there really aren't many options for Pavlik at 160. It's a weak division right now. The only other candidates who people would care about seeing are the Winky-Williams winner and maybe Sturm. A Duddy fight would do good business at the gate but wouldn't be competitive. Forrest's name has been mentioned. Not many attractive options.

Arum seems to want to milk Pavlik for all he's worth at this point. It's understandable from a business point of view as Pavlik could sell out arenas in Ohio and Atlantic City fighting mediocre opposition. They're talking about matching him against Sergio Mora next, again in Ohio; that's even more of a gimme than Rubio was (and I'm one of the few Sergio Mora fans).

Someone else mentioned it earlier in this thread (I can't remember who), but I agree that Top Rank are waiting out Abraham because he's not going to be able to stay at the weight much longer. He's already has trouble making weight in the past.

Could be. But, with that said, how much longer can we expect Pavlik to make 160? He's an even bigger middleweight than Abraham, I can't see him continuing to make the weight much longer. At 168, Pavlik is going to have some problems because he won't be able to walk guys down as easily at that weight.

[CFH]

The problem with this fight as far as Arum sees it is it's a VERY high risk fight--one many believe Pavlik will lose--against a guy who really brings little money to the table because he is unknown in the states. You can't really blame Top Rank from an economic view point. But Arum has said he wants Pavlik to fight three more times this year a possibly put Abraham on an undercard to build hype for the fight late this year or early next. Abraham is going to have to leave Germany and get on American TV if he wants to build the fight into something economically viable.

On the other hand, there really aren't many options for Pavlik at 160. It's a weak division right now. The only other candidates who people would care about seeing are the Winky-Williams winner and maybe Sturm. A Duddy fight would do good business at the gate but wouldn't be competitive. Forrest's name has been mentioned. Not many attractive options.

Arum seems to want to milk Pavlik for all he's worth at this point. It's understandable from a business point of view as Pavlik could sell out arenas in Ohio and Atlantic City fighting mediocre opposition. They're talking about matching him against Sergio Mora next, again in Ohio; that's even more of a gimme than Rubio was (and I'm one of the few Sergio Mora fans).

Someone else mentioned it earlier in this thread (I can't remember who), but I agree that Top Rank are waiting out Abraham because he's not going to be able to stay at the weight much longer. He's already has trouble making weight in the past.

Could be. But, with that said, how much longer can we expect Pavlik to make 160? He's an even bigger middleweight than Abraham, I can't see him continuing to make the weight much longer. At 168, Pavlik is going to have some problems because he won't be able to walk guys down as easily at that weight.

Not that it is necessarily true, but I've always read the Pavlik camp say that he can make 160 comfortably and that certainly isn't the case with Abraham. At some point though you would think that Pavlik has to move up.

[rjj tszyu]

This is the fight I most want to see this year I think! I just don't know which way to go. I think i'd just favour Pavlik but nothing would surprise me in this fight.

[DaxxKahn]

Tough fight, exciting one to watch...Can not pick a winner...AA so tough and can take a shot so well...Kell;y such a good pace he hits so hard...

I would pay the PPV dollars to see this without knowing the undercard

[Drago]

i personally dont think the fight will happen

[rjj tszyu]

i personally dont think the fight will happen

I do! It's the fight that makes the most sense at MW and it's probably both mens biggest money option at the minute too and money talks!

[TheDemolitionDan]

This will be a great fight and we will find out who is the true king at Middleweight. I hope that Pavlik would win, but IDK I think Abraham is better than Pavlik. IDK it should be fun though hope it happens.

[Rocky Balboa]

I do think this would be a very good fight. Abraham with his sneaky counterpunching power and Kelly with his all out punching power and workrate. I think this fight would come down to Kelly's constant pressure and workrate. Sure you can shoot holes through it like Hopkins did but you really can't hurt him. Honestly we still really don't know about Abraham's chin. I know I know he fought through twelve rounds with Miranda with a broken jaw, but we still have never seen him tested. Pavlik would give him all he handle and probably stop him in eight or nine.

I would like to know what the hell you consider "tested"?

Ya?!?!?!?! that what I thought