Kid thunder

[Howlin Mad Missy]

i go to stacy gyms 3 times a week

may I suggest upping that. Several pros I know go 5 times a week as well as a number of amateurs. Not every workout has to be a killer but there is always something to be improving on. It's still early you could for example take things right down to basics and focus for a month - yes a whole month on the jab. Circle left/right/pivot/moving forward/moving back. Watch vids of good jabbers, watch their footwork. When do they get hit? Do they drop or loop their arm as they return it? etc etc etc.

Shadowbow it, work it on the bag, on the pads, constructive sparring.

I'll collect my 10% now

[Tilt A Whirl]

i go to stacy gyms 3 times a week

may I suggest upping that. Several pros I know go 5 times a week as well as a number of amateurs. Not every workout has to be a killer but there is always something to be improving on. It's still early you could for example take things right down to basics and focus for a month - yes a whole month on the jab. Circle left/right/pivot/moving forward/moving back. Watch vids of good jabbers, watch their footwork. When do they get hit? Do they drop or loop their arm as they return it? etc etc etc.

Shadowbow it, work it on the bag, on the pads, constructive sparring.

I'll collect my 10% now

He really cant go more often then that.
But his crosses and jabs are much tighter now,and he actually slips shots side to side rather then allways trying to lunge backwards.
He knows I still want him to stop cocking for those wild hooks,and Im not pleased that he's afraid to use the uppercut,but Rome wasnt built in a day. We're making progress in a non-ideal situation,and thats my main concern is to constantly make progress. As long as I see him progressing,Im happy with what Im seeing. If he stagnates,or regresses,he knows he'll hear it from me.

[AdamGB]

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

[Tilt A Whirl]

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

Its not that he cant throw one,he just doesnt have confidence in it yet,your sort of saying what Ive been stressing with him. Lets get your punches correct,and then put it in to sequence.
The jab and the cross are fixed,his hook is better,but it still needs work,when he's tired or mad he lapses back to old Andrew,and cocks it.And he still doesnt trust his upercuts or his clinches.
Its a process,yeah if I had him here all the time it would go faster,but I cant help that.I can only deal with the situation in front of me. He has improved dramatically,which means he's doing as he's told. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

[Memphis]

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

Its not that he cant throw one,he just doesnt have confidence in it yet,your sort of saying what Ive been stressing with him. Lets get your punches correct,and then put it in to sequence.
The jab and the cross are fixed,his hook is better,but it still needs work,when he's tired or mad he lapses back to old Andrew,and cocks it.And he still doesnt trust his upercuts or his clinches.
Its a process,yeah if I had him here all the time it would go faster,but I cant help that.I can only deal with the situation in front of me. He has improved dramatically,which means he's doing as he's told. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

That just isnt true is it? I didnt see one straight punch at all, admitedly I didnt watch vid two but Im going to stick my neck out and say his technique wont have improved any. As Ive said before I can see that he's trying to be a bit more measured and put some thought into what he's trying to do but lets be honest here, he doesnt have a jab, he doesnt have a cross, he has a series of swipes coming from his hip and he switches stance so frequently he's making Naz jelous.

I could understand the straight punches going out the window after a few mins and he starts to tire, but they were never there?

[Tilt A Whirl]

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

Its not that he cant throw one,he just doesnt have confidence in it yet,your sort of saying what Ive been stressing with him. Lets get your punches correct,and then put it in to sequence.
The jab and the cross are fixed,his hook is better,but it still needs work,when he's tired or mad he lapses back to old Andrew,and cocks it.And he still doesnt trust his upercuts or his clinches.
Its a process,yeah if I had him here all the time it would go faster,but I cant help that.I can only deal with the situation in front of me. He has improved dramatically,which means he's doing as he's told. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

That just isnt true is it? I didnt see one straight punch at all, admitedly I didnt watch vid two but Im going to stick my neck out and say his technique wont have improved any. As Ive said before I can see that he's trying to be a bit more measured and put some thought into what he's trying to do but lets be honest here, he doesnt have a jab, he doesnt have a cross, he has a series of swipes coming from his hip and he switches stance so frequently he's making Naz jelous.

I could understand the straight punches going out the window after a few mins and he starts to tire, but they were never there?

Maybe you should have watched it,he's throwing a nice tight cross now,and he's turning over and snapping off his jab now,which he never did before,he did throw a couple of very nice crisp hooks,but when he started gassing out he'd revert on the hook and start cocking it again.
He also has started working up and down,which he never did before either. He also threw a couple of nice straight rights,which he also never did before.
Not everything landed,but the progress is there

[Youngblood]

[. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

Not to dog on Andrew, as I have nothing against him, but this also is not true?

this is his boxrec listing. As you can see, most of the people he has fought were 0-0-0 or similar, with a few having more experience, a few with limited, but largely he has more experience then most he faces.

So seeing as being pro is your measurin stick of a fighter, he surely has more 'pro' experience then most everyone he fought.

Andrew Hartley

[Memphis]

Its not that he cant throw one,he just doesnt have confidence in it yet,your sort of saying what Ive been stressing with him. Lets get your punches correct,and then put it in to sequence.
The jab and the cross are fixed,his hook is better,but it still needs work,when he's tired or mad he lapses back to old Andrew,and cocks it.And he still doesnt trust his upercuts or his clinches.
Its a process,yeah if I had him here all the time it would go faster,but I cant help that.I can only deal with the situation in front of me. He has improved dramatically,which means he's doing as he's told. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

That just isnt true is it? I didnt see one straight punch at all, admitedly I didnt watch vid two but Im going to stick my neck out and say his technique wont have improved any. As Ive said before I can see that he's trying to be a bit more measured and put some thought into what he's trying to do but lets be honest here, he doesnt have a jab, he doesnt have a cross, he has a series of swipes coming from his hip and he switches stance so frequently he's making Naz jelous.

I could understand the straight punches going out the window after a few mins and he starts to tire, but they were never there?

Maybe you should have watched it,he's throwing a nice tight cross now,and he's turning over and snapping off his jab now

Really? Ive now watched vid 2, Im glad I did, the exchange on the ropes at around the 2:50 mark was Hagler Leonardesque. Can you pinpoint when he throws a nice cross so I can watch it back?