Another kahn critic

[Gandalf]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days.

[JazMerkin]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days.

I'm kinda done with talking about this fight, but on that one point there Miles, Khan did not actually say that. The AP, Reuters press did not use that word. It was the same exact quote, but the word 'brutally' seems to have been added in by the BBC journalist. Also all other initial reports in the paper didn't use that word. Yes, Khan did say he thinks he would've knocked him out in another few rounds, but I'm sorry that is no different to Barrera getting hit and stumbling back to the ropes, and then saying afterwards that Khan's punches didn't hurt him. So let's stop with the stuff about how he said he would 'brutally' do it, because it was the BBC taking journalistic license with his words. Read the AP & Reuters releases of his statement for an accurate representation or find the post-fight press conference where you will see what he said.

[Gandalf]

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days.

I'm kinda done with talking about this fight, but on that one point there Miles, Khan did not actually say that. The AP, Reuters press did not use that word. It was the same exact quote, but the word 'brutally' seems to have been added in by the BBC journalist. Also all other initial reports in the paper didn't use that word. Yes, Khan did say he thinks he would've knocked him out in another few rounds, but I'm sorry that is no different to Barrera getting hit and stumbling back to the ropes, and then saying afterwards that Khan's punches didn't hurt him. So let's stop with the stuff about how he said he would 'brutally' do it, because it was the BBC taking journalistic license with his words. Read the AP & Reuters releases of his statement for an accurate representation or find the post-fight press conference where you will see what he said.

Thanks for pointing that out. I will look into that. It seems the media have taken license in a lot of ways with this fight. They have misrepresented the fight and possibly even misrepresented Khan himself with his own statements.

In defense of Barrera though, if you cannot quite see what is happening then you will get pushed onto the ropes. I don't actually see any point at which Khan hurt Barrera with an actual punch. Even on the ropes only a few punches are actually landing. It is my perception that Barrera is telling the truth. But I would also imagine that the actual cut didn't feel too nice either.

Even if Khan didn't say the word brutal, it is still pretty rude for Khan to say he would have stopped Marco. Despite the odds, Barrera was still in there and he would not have given up. I find it hard to imagine Khan stopping Barrera, let alone brutally. But there you go.