This is beyond reproach... To serve and protect my ass, this officer should be fired

[Kev]

I think the simple fact that the chief of police thinks his behaviour was completely inappropriate says it all. Yes he could stop him, but just give them the ticket & let it go when you can see people are that distressed. Pulling his gun was completely unneccesary. His initial pull-over, fine that's understandable, but the rest of it is bullshit. Also if the people involved feel it may be a race issue, then it may very well be, its very easy to say no its not sitting at a computer when you weren't there, its much easier to tell when you are actually face to face and dealing with them. I'm not saying it is, because I too am sat at a computer, but I think to dismiss it entirely is completely naive. It's police officers like that who fuck it up for the ones who are actually decent human beings.

I do agree a lot with what Sonny says about race being an issue for the police here. I imagine with the victim being black no way they would want to get into a racial dispute so easier to just condemn the cop.

I do find the whole thing extrememly biased in terms of reporting though.

I mean there were two offences here, firstly the guy jumped a red light in front of a cop and secondly he didn't stop for the police car when they tried to pull him over.

One thing I've learned from watching police camera action is that when somebody jumps a light and then doesn't pull over for the police there is often a very high percentage chance that the driver is up to no good, either drunk, stolen car, smuggling drugs, stolen goods etc.

Everybody jumping on the cop is looking at it with the benefit of hindsight, i.e this was a genuine case of a poor family who had a mother dying and were racing to get to the hospital. However even then its still no excuse to jump a red light I mean that's just dangerous, if everyone decided they could jump a red light when the situation was urgent enough then we'd have chaos on the roads and its the policeman's job to uphold the law on the roads if he's on traffic duty.

And as I said in the post above anyone can scream 'My mother is dying' and attempt to run into a hospital to avoid being investigated by the police or having to hand over details.

I'm sure this cop, and countless other cops hear these excuses all the time and most of the time they are just blaggers trying anything to get out of a ticket.

I think it was a very unfortunate situation but that the cop is just as big a victim in this as he was just out doing his job and is now part of some huge national scandal and has had his name and reputation dragged through the mud.

What's even more ironic is that you'd get the impression from the media reports that this whole family was detained for hours or something whilst the poor mother in law died alone with nobody with her.

When in fact all the family apart from the driver went straight into the hospital to be with the mother and the driver himself was detained for 1 min 54 seconds!

I really don't see the big deal, to me the cop is actually more of a victim here being made a pariah for just following his job description.

Spicoli you say he should have put his own judgment above beurocracry and rules but at the end of the day all of our servicemen HAVE to follow the rules to the letter. I don't want my police service, fire department, armed forces etc choosing when and when not to follow their job description, that just opens the way to chaos and more problems down the road.

In the interests of public safety I want the police to properly investigate every possible case of foul play.

The guy jumped the lights and refused to stop for a police car. He HAS to stopped and investigated and its aboslutely right he should have to produce his documents. Regarding the ticket the police officer is just following the law in issuing it, its up to others higher than him to waive it imo.

I can't fault the officer for anything other than his tone, which I agree was nasty and unfeeling. However do you really think the cop knew this woman was actually dying in that exact moment? As Sonny said anybody could cry that and many probably do, if the police response was to automatically just let them off and tell them to get in there and see their loved one then the police would just be a laughing stock with people claiming all kinds of excuses to stop the police investigating them.

The more I think about the more I think the real victim is the cop and his family. He was just unfortunate to be on duty in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Hunter]

The cop should be fired. If he thought they were dangerous criminals why did he let the three others run into the hospital. He didnt call for backup? He knew Ryan was telling the truth and chose to be an ass.

He should have took his license and walked with him into the hospital and once he verified with a nurse let him go.

[Kev]

The cop should be fired. If he thought they were dangerous criminals why did he let the three others run into the hospital. He didnt call for backup? He knew Ryan was telling the truth and chose to be an ass.

He should have took his license and walked with him into the hospital and once he verified with a nurse let him go.

He did call for backup and he didn't let the others run into the hospital they just ran in when he told them to stay where they were, did you even watch the video?

The cop didn't know they were telling the truth, all he had to go by was a driver jumped a red light in plain view of the police then refused to stop when flashed to pull over.

I'm sorry but in that situation if you are a cop your immediate reaction is that this is a potential hostile situation with an uncooperative lawbreaking driver who may be dangerous.

Just driving to the hospital and then leaping out of the car yelling someone is dying and trying to run off doesn't mean the cop can just believe everything you say.

How can you in all seriousness based on one single news report claim definiteively that you enough information and judgement to be able to sack a man you have never met and do not know anything about?

How is that consistent. You are doing EXACTLY the same as what the cop did.

The cop saw a guy run a light, he saw a car blatently refuse to pull over for him and continue driving and so he assumed the driver was a hostile, uncooperative and potentially dangerous risk.

He jumped to a conclusion based on the evidence he had at that time EXACTLY the way you are doing now.

Can you not see the hyprocrisy in this?

How can say the police offer should have used his judegment in that moment and tried to see things from a different perspective when you are incapable of the same thing?

And remember this whole 'detaining' incident took less than 2 minutes!

The cop was doing his job, he had no way of knowing when he confronted them that their mother was dying and even after they told him he had no way of knowing that that was true.

He reacted in the moment according to the information he had and got it wrong. Yes he could have handled it better but he's only human and didn't have the information we now have at that time.

[Tilt A Whirl]

The cop should be fired. If he thought they were dangerous criminals why did he let the three others run into the hospital. He didnt call for backup? He knew Ryan was telling the truth and chose to be an ass.

He should have took his license and walked with him into the hospital and once he verified with a nurse let him go.

He did call for backup and he didn't let the others run into the hospital they just ran in when he told them to stay where they were, did you even watch the video?

The cop didn't know they were telling the truth, all he had to go by was a driver jumped a red light in plain view of the police then refused to stop when flashed to pull over.

I'm sorry but in that situation if you are a cop your immediate reaction is that this is a potential hostile situation with an uncooperative lawbreaking driver who may be dangerous.

Just driving to the hospital and then leaping out of the car yelling someone is dying and trying to run off doesn't mean the cop can just believe everything you say.

How can you in all seriousness based on one single news report claim definiteively that you enough information and judgement to be able to sack a man you have never met and do not know anything about?

How is that consistent. You are doing EXACTLY the same as what the cop did.

The cop saw a guy run a light, he saw a car blatently refuse to pull over for him and continue driving and so he assumed the driver was a hostile, uncooperative and potentially dangerous risk.

He jumped to a conclusion based on the evidence he had at that time EXACTLY the way you are doing now.

Can you not see the hyprocrisy in this?

How can say the police offer should have used his judegment in that moment and tried to see things from a different perspective when you are incapable of the same thing?

And remember this whole 'detaining' incident took less than 2 minutes!

The cop was doing his job, he had no way of knowing when he confronted them that their mother was dying and even after they told him he had no way of knowing that that was true.

He reacted in the moment according to the information he had and got it wrong. Yes he could have handled it better but he's only human and didn't have the information we now have at that time.

The backup asked for Moats to be let go

[Kev]

I've just read in an article that he actually detained him for 13 minutes, if that's the case then its clearly out of order, the video I watched of the incident lasted only 1 minute and 54 seconds, maybe that was edited?

[Hunter]

I've just read in an article that he actually detained him for 13 minutes, if that's the case then its clearly out of order, the video I watched of the incident lasted only 1 minute and 54 seconds, maybe that was edited?

You are asking me if I watched the video and it is apparent you havent. The moron detained Moats for 15 minutes. Two nurses and a Plano cop all talked to the "cop" and he still wouldnt let him go. The first nurse talked to the cop after 6 minutes and confirmed his mother in law was dying and he kept Moats another 9 minutes.

[Kev]

I've just read in an article that he actually detained him for 13 minutes, if that's the case then its clearly out of order, the video I watched of the incident lasted only 1 minute and 54 seconds, maybe that was edited?

You are asking me if I watched the video and it is apparent you havent. The moron detained Moats for 15 minutes. Two nurses and a Plano cop all talked to the "cop" and he still wouldnt let him go. The first nurse talked to the cop after 6 minutes and confirmed his mother in law was dying and he kept Moats another 9 minutes.

I watched the video link that was provided that lasted only 2 minutes. The drawing of the gun, the nurse coming out and the long delay wern't in that video that I saw.

[Hunter]

The cop should be fired. If he thought they were dangerous criminals why did he let the three others run into the hospital. He didnt call for backup? He knew Ryan was telling the truth and chose to be an ass.

He should have took his license and walked with him into the hospital and once he verified with a nurse let him go.

He did call for backup and he didn't let the others run into the hospital they just ran in when he told them to stay where they were, did you even watch the video?

The cop didn't know they were telling the truth, all he had to go by was a driver jumped a red light in plain view of the police then refused to stop when flashed to pull over.

I'm sorry but in that situation if you are a cop your immediate reaction is that this is a potential hostile situation with an uncooperative lawbreaking driver who may be dangerous.

Just driving to the hospital and then leaping out of the car yelling someone is dying and trying to run off doesn't mean the cop can just believe everything you say.

How can you in all seriousness based on one single news report claim definiteively that you enough information and judgement to be able to sack a man you have never met and do not know anything about?

How is that consistent. You are doing EXACTLY the same as what the cop did.

The cop saw a guy run a light, he saw a car blatently refuse to pull over for him and continue driving and so he assumed the driver was a hostile, uncooperative and potentially dangerous risk.

He jumped to a conclusion based on the evidence he had at that time EXACTLY the way you are doing now.

Can you not see the hyprocrisy in this?

How can say the police offer should have used his judegment in that moment and tried to see things from a different perspective when you are incapable of the same thing?

And remember this whole 'detaining' incident took less than 2 minutes!

The cop was doing his job, he had no way of knowing when he confronted them that their mother was dying and even after they told him he had no way of knowing that that was true.

He reacted in the moment according to the information he had and got it wrong. Yes he could have handled it better but he's only human and didn't have the information we now have at that time.

I did watch the video, have you ever seen how officers react when they are making a felony stop? If he seriously thought Moats was fleeing and they were criminals he would have held them at gun point and put moats in handcuffs right away.

Either he thought they were dangerous criminals or he didnt, if he didnt (which is obvious) he should have let them go based on the circumstances.

The cop is an incompetent moron and should be canned.
You need to obtain all the facts.

[Tilt A Whirl]

Think of how many real criminals got away because Johnny Law was detaining an NFL Running Back while his mother in law was dying for running a red light.

[Tilt A Whirl]

Wait it gets better,the light was stuck on red because of a power outage

[sonny78]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
They are showing this on CNN right now.They'd have to shoot me,tazz me or gaffle me.What an absolute display of idiocy.I think its a case of stereo typing and predjudice...hope that dick head can live with himself!!He was in no threat and the cop should have put his humanity and situational judgment ahead of the badge and bureaucracy.
They are taught what to think and how to react.
Uniformed cops take the cake through lack of thought.
Here last month they shot and killed a young man of 15 who was upset over his dads death and had a knife and wouldnt put it down.
Fuckwits didnt think to shoot him in the legs did they? No our targets dont have legs .Thats how dumb and brainwashed they become.
Then you get one of them on the camera reading out the offical statment in monotone.
You can be knocked back from the uniformed job by having a too high IQ you know, they steer you away from it.

The reason they don't shoot in the legs is because there are trained to aim for the largest body mass, the torso to reduce the chance off missing and killing someone with a ricochet

[sonny78]

Wait it gets better,the light was stuck on red because of a power outage

Bollocks, If there was a power outage the light would be off not stuck on red

Think of how many real criminals got away because Johnny Law was detaining an NFL Running Back while his mother in law was dying for running a red light.

If someone runs a red light in front of a copper how does he know he is not a criminal? he finds out by pulling him over

[Tilt A Whirl]

Wait it gets better,the light was stuck on red because of a power outage

Bollocks, If there was a power outage the light would be off not stuck on red

Think of how many real criminals got away because Johnny Law was detaining an NFL Running Back while his mother in law was dying for running a red light.

If someone runs a red light in front of a copper how does he know he is not a criminal? he finds out by pulling him over

No,if there's an outage,it resets to a blinking red,the law is,you treat it like a stop sign,which is what he did

[Kev]

Just out of interest does anyone else feel this only became national news because of the celebrity status of Moats and the fact that he was black?

If it was an ordinary white Joe Blow this wouldn't even have made the local news.

Let's say this had happened to Lyle or Trainer Monkey. Do you think CCN would have been all over it? Do you think it would even be covered at all?

[CFH]

Just out of interest does anyone else feel this only became national news because of the celebrity status of Moats and the fact that he was black?

If it was an ordinary white Joe Blow this wouldn't even have made the local news.

Let's say this had happened to Lyle or Trainer Monkey. Do you think CCN would have been all over it? Do you think it would even be covered at all?

Are you claiming that the media played up the issue of race in order to sensationalize a story? I just don't believe it!