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Re: Fave Referees
used to be mills lane, now its bayless or weeks.
The best refs are the ones you completely forget are in the ring with the 2 fighters and let the fight just flow.
As for the worst refs......
cortez, drakulich(sp?) and jay nady
oh and as for fatty parris.....
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Don't think Cortez is that bad, it was just his actions in the Soto fight that took the piss. Still NO ONE is as bad as Marlon B. Wright
The best are undoubtedly Kenny Bayless & Steve Smoger, although I always thought Richard Steele was good, got to hard a time for stoppin Taylor, but I always prefer a ref to err on the side of caution in that situation.
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I think some referees need psychiatric test every now and then. Some as they get older, has the tendency of being numb and insensitive and due to the cruel nature of boxing they had become somewhat of a sadist..you know..I am aware that they call the boxers warriors, modern gladiators but that doesn't mean they fight to death.
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Originally Posted by the_PRODIGY
I think some referees need psychiatric test every now and then. Some as they get older, has the tendency of being numb and insensitive and due to the cruel nature of boxing they had become somewhat of a sadist..you know..I am aware that they call the boxers warriors, modern gladiators but that doesn't mean they fight to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA
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Boxing is a bloodthirst sport however much you like/dislike that, if theres a world title on the line a ref should give a fighter every possible opportunity to carry on unless in an extreme circumstance like if he was getting absoloutely tonked.
where would boxing be right now if we had over zealous refs every time....
Marquez-Pacquiao would of been over within 2 minutes
diego corrales would of been handsomely beaten 1st time around by castillo
vasquez-marquez would of been stopped several times over
eubank would of lost to watson
benn would of lost to mcclellan
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Too many fights get stopped prematurely these days and it is annoying. I admire a ref who knows where to draw the line. I was just watching the Hatton: Thaxton fight just now, and I don't know who the ref was, but I thought he did an excellent job what with Hatton being cut quite badly so early. Cracking fight that.I think some referees need psychiatric test every now and then. Some as they get older, has the tendency of being numb and insensitive and due to the cruel nature of boxing they had become somewhat of a sadist..you know..I am aware that they call the boxers warriors, modern gladiators but that doesn't mean they fight to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA
It sucks.
that sir does not suck
Boxing is a bloodthirst sport however much you like/dislike that, if theres a world title on the line a ref should give a fighter every possible opportunity to carry on unless in an extreme circumstance like if he was getting absoloutely tonked.
where would boxing be right now if we had over zealous refs every time....
Marquez-Pacquiao would of been over within 2 minutes
diego corrales would of been handsomely beaten 1st time around by castillo
vasquez-marquez would of been stopped several times over
eubank would of lost to watson
benn would of lost to mcclellan
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who stopped the Lews v Ruddock I fight far too ealry ? was it Steele ?
One of best pieces of refereeing I have ever seen was by our own Mickey Vann in the Graham Earl v Katsidis fight.
Earl was in trouble and his corner threw the towel in - Vann threw it back out believeing Earl was ok to continue. Earl then floored Katsidis a few seconds later.
Ok Earl lost eventually
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Steele is one of my fav referee. And I think he did a fine job with Chavez-Taylor fight eventhough he received tons of negative criticism on that fight.
Lovin' Mills Lane, Smoger, Russel, Bayless, and Draculich.
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Steve Smoger is the best imo. He genuinely cares about the fighters and he made great calls without controversy.
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remember thatToo many fights get stopped prematurely these days and it is annoying. I admire a ref who knows where to draw the line. I was just watching the Hatton: Thaxton fight just now, and I don't know who the ref was, but I thought he did an excellent job what with Hatton being cut quite badly so early. Cracking fight that.I think some referees need psychiatric test every now and then. Some as they get older, has the tendency of being numb and insensitive and due to the cruel nature of boxing they had become somewhat of a sadist..you know..I am aware that they call the boxers warriors, modern gladiators but that doesn't mean they fight to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA
It sucks.
that sir does not suck
Boxing is a bloodthirst sport however much you like/dislike that, if theres a world title on the line a ref should give a fighter every possible opportunity to carry on unless in an extreme circumstance like if he was getting absoloutely tonked.
where would boxing be right now if we had over zealous refs every time....
Marquez-Pacquiao would of been over within 2 minutes
diego corrales would of been handsomely beaten 1st time around by castillo
vasquez-marquez would of been stopped several times over
eubank would of lost to watson
benn would of lost to mcclellan
both were cut to ribbons and thaxton looked like he was about to go in about round 6, but the ref realising thaxton was quite capable of throwing back allowed it to continue.
What annoys me is when a guy is getting pummeled on the ropes but is still standing and the ref jumps in and waves it off. If the guy was in serious trouble he`d either take or knee or be put flat down onto the floor.
Who ref`d cotto-margarito - they called that perfect knew cotto was about to take another knee to the floor and gave him the opportunity to call the fight off himself thus leaving no doubt as to whether the stoppage was right!!
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I feel you. Early stoppages annoys me too but we have to remember there is almost no standing 8-count in pro boxing today. I think there are still bodies who implement the rule but what I'm saying is that it is very important for a boxer to be 'aware' when he's hurt badly. He can intentionally take a knee to give himself valuable time to recover. It's not a 10-point must system for no reason. that's why it's not a 1-point system. They will not lose if they went down for fukk's sake. I admire fighters who have the presence of mind to do that.Too many fights get stopped prematurely these days and it is annoying. I admire a ref who knows where to draw the line. I was just watching the Hatton: Thaxton fight just now, and I don't know who the ref was, but I thought he did an excellent job what with Hatton being cut quite badly so early. Cracking fight that.I think some referees need psychiatric test every now and then. Some as they get older, has the tendency of being numb and insensitive and due to the cruel nature of boxing they had become somewhat of a sadist..you know..I am aware that they call the boxers warriors, modern gladiators but that doesn't mean they fight to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA
It sucks.
that sir does not suck
Boxing is a bloodthirst sport however much you like/dislike that, if theres a world title on the line a ref should give a fighter every possible opportunity to carry on unless in an extreme circumstance like if he was getting absoloutely tonked.
where would boxing be right now if we had over zealous refs every time....
Marquez-Pacquiao would of been over within 2 minutes
diego corrales would of been handsomely beaten 1st time around by castillo
vasquez-marquez would of been stopped several times over
eubank would of lost to watson
benn would of lost to mcclellan
It's not always the referee's job to protect the boxers.When they put a halt during an assault you have to expect it's always over. Remember the instructions before a fight starts where it says 'protect yourselves at all time'. I think taking a knee is part of it. I won't call a fighter who do such thing a pussy or a cheater but I say he's a smart ass son of a biatch. Well that's just me.
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Did you watch the replay? Morrison was out 4 brutal punches earlier. and these are heavyweights and he's on the fukkin ropes!Ray Mercer's base was low and Morrison's defense was gone his legs were out from a lefthook. He wasn't fighting back nor protecting himself. It didn't help that only the ropes was holding him.I think some referees need psychiatric test every now and then. Some as they get older, has the tendency of being numb and insensitive and due to the cruel nature of boxing they had become somewhat of a sadist..you know..I am aware that they call the boxers warriors, modern gladiators but that doesn't mean they fight to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA
It sucks.
that sir does not suck
Boxing is a bloodthirst sport however much you like/dislike that, if theres a world title on the line a ref should give a fighter every possible opportunity to carry on unless in an extreme circumstance like if he was getting absoloutely tonked.
where would boxing be right now if we had over zealous refs every time....
Marquez-Pacquiao would of been over within 2 minutes
diego corrales would of been handsomely beaten 1st time around by castillo
vasquez-marquez would of been stopped several times over
eubank would of lost to watson
benn would of lost to mcclellan
The fights you mentioned all includes knockdowns. A KD (sometimes intentional) helps a fighter to recover and gather himself. All of those fights were great fights, if I'm not mistaken only the Vasquez-Marquez fights featured the least KD, and two of it were stopped by the ref. The only fight which reached the 12th, shows Marquez being gifted a 'standing 8 count'. If not for that KD, he would have been stopped again by Vasquez.
Another fight that shows how helpful the KD's are is the epic Chico/Castillo fight. Chico gathered himself during the counts, and also with the help of the brilliant strategy to spit his mouthpiece to KO Castillo. IMO if Castillo did the same and only had the presence of mind to take a knee he may have survive the round. Guess where he was, at the ropes. That was a great recognition by Tony Weeks to stop the fight.
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Did you watch the replay? Morrison was out 4 brutal punches earlier. and these are heavyweights and he's on the fukkin ropes!Ray Mercer's base was low and Morrison's defense was gone his legs were out from a lefthook. He wasn't fighting back nor protecting himself. It didn't help that only the ropes was holding him.I think some referees need psychiatric test every now and then. Some as they get older, has the tendency of being numb and insensitive and due to the cruel nature of boxing they had become somewhat of a sadist..you know..I am aware that they call the boxers warriors, modern gladiators but that doesn't mean they fight to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA
It sucks.
that sir does not suck
Boxing is a bloodthirst sport however much you like/dislike that, if theres a world title on the line a ref should give a fighter every possible opportunity to carry on unless in an extreme circumstance like if he was getting absoloutely tonked.
where would boxing be right now if we had over zealous refs every time....
Marquez-Pacquiao would of been over within 2 minutes
diego corrales would of been handsomely beaten 1st time around by castillo
vasquez-marquez would of been stopped several times over
eubank would of lost to watson
benn would of lost to mcclellan
The fights you mentioned all includes knockdowns. A KD (sometimes intentional) helps a fighter to recover and gather himself. All of those fights were great fights, if I'm not mistaken only the Vasquez-Marquez fights featured the least KD, and two of it were stopped by the ref. The only fight which reached the 12th, shows Marquez being gifted a 'standing 8 count'. If not for that KD, he would have been stopped again by Vasquez.
Another fight that shows how helpful the KD's are is the epic Chico/Castillo fight. Chico gathered himself during the counts, and also with the help of the brilliant strategy to spit his mouthpiece to KO Castillo. IMO if Castillo did the same and only had the presence of mind to take a knee he may have survive the round. Guess where he was, at the ropes. That was a great recognition by Tony Weeks to stop the fight.
if a fighter is still standing his still fighting in my opinion
If you get hit hard to the point your unable to throw back the 1st thing to go will indeed be your legs, if a guy is up at 8 but all over the place then indeed stop the fight, if he is up able to walk to you and answers the "do you wanna fight on" theres absoloutely no reason to stop a contest.
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It doesn't always work that way. Especially in the lower weights. You have to consider the fact that there are always fighters who have great durability. and there are one's who are known for their huge heart.Did you watch the replay? Morrison was out 4 brutal punches earlier. and these are heavyweights and he's on the fukkin ropes!Ray Mercer's base was low and Morrison's defense was gone his legs were out from a lefthook. He wasn't fighting back nor protecting himself. It didn't help that only the ropes was holding him.
The fights you mentioned all includes knockdowns. A KD (sometimes intentional) helps a fighter to recover and gather himself. All of those fights were great fights, if I'm not mistaken only the Vasquez-Marquez fights featured the least KD, and two of it were stopped by the ref. The only fight which reached the 12th, shows Marquez being gifted a 'standing 8 count'. If not for that KD, he would have been stopped again by Vasquez.
Another fight that shows how helpful the KD's are is the epic Chico/Castillo fight. Chico gathered himself during the counts, and also with the help of the brilliant strategy to spit his mouthpiece to KO Castillo. IMO if Castillo did the same and only had the presence of mind to take a knee he may have survive the round. Guess where he was, at the ropes. That was a great recognition by Tony Weeks to stop the fight.
if a fighter is still standing his still fighting in my opinion
If you get hit hard to the point your unable to throw back the 1st thing to go will indeed be your legs, if a guy is up at 8 but all over the place then indeed stop the fight, if he is up able to walk to you and answers the "do you wanna fight on" theres absoloutely no reason to stop a contest.
BIG HEART.Marquez seems to hit the canvass easily if you hit him flush to the chin but if you're the referee and you know his history you will give him the benefit of the doubt. I remember the 2nd Gatti-Ward fight, Micky Ward went down hard from an overhand right that landed behind his left ear and he was stumbling all over the place. The commentator was saying if it we'rent for Ward's reputation, the fight would have been surely stopped.
GREAT CHIN. Most of the times leads to serious injuries. Gerald Mcllelan didn't went down against Benn and when he finally did look what happened to him. Margarito took Mosley's best punches a hundred times until he succumbs and look, he never recovered even after beating the count and being saved by the bell. Castillo, correct me if I'm wrong but I think when he fought Chico he has never ever hit the canvass. His body couldn't take any of the consecutive blows no more. If not of Tony Weeks "early stoppage" he may have suffered serious injuries and couldn't have avenge his loss or may have never fought Hatton.
and I can't emphasize it even more:
Ray Mercer was a hard hitting heavyweight and Morrison was very durable.
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"Yory Boy" Campas was still standing while he was being battered by Trinidad, never went down but was completely out, so was Vargas while Oscar was teeing off on his head, tell me those weren't justified stoppages, due to bad stoppages using your reasoning have lead to death a fue times, with the one who was battered so badly being able to finish the fight only to end up dieing in the hospital hours or days laterDid you watch the replay? Morrison was out 4 brutal punches earlier. and these are heavyweights and he's on the fukkin ropes!Ray Mercer's base was low and Morrison's defense was gone his legs were out from a lefthook. He wasn't fighting back nor protecting himself. It didn't help that only the ropes was holding him.
The fights you mentioned all includes knockdowns. A KD (sometimes intentional) helps a fighter to recover and gather himself. All of those fights were great fights, if I'm not mistaken only the Vasquez-Marquez fights featured the least KD, and two of it were stopped by the ref. The only fight which reached the 12th, shows Marquez being gifted a 'standing 8 count'. If not for that KD, he would have been stopped again by Vasquez.
Another fight that shows how helpful the KD's are is the epic Chico/Castillo fight. Chico gathered himself during the counts, and also with the help of the brilliant strategy to spit his mouthpiece to KO Castillo. IMO if Castillo did the same and only had the presence of mind to take a knee he may have survive the round. Guess where he was, at the ropes. That was a great recognition by Tony Weeks to stop the fight.
if a fighter is still standing his still fighting in my opinion
If you get hit hard to the point your unable to throw back the 1st thing to go will indeed be your legs, if a guy is up at 8 but all over the place then indeed stop the fight, if he is up able to walk to you and answers the "do you wanna fight on" theres absoloutely no reason to stop a contest.
on that note my fav refs right now are, Kenny Bayless, Tony Weeks, Eddie Cotton
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