Capitalism

**Youngblood** · 04-03-2009 12:59 PM

It must eat at Lyle's very core Obama is as popular as he is. The general world wide consensus is the man can be trusted. It's refreshing to them. Something that is very much needed in world negotiations right now, not a 'do it our way or the highway' which stood to and successfully did alienate the USA.

Yea, he has a lot of work to do, the USA does, and so do many countries and their leaders. But considering you guys just finished with a leader would couldn't even routinely be honest with his own people, it is no stretch to see how that attitude found it's way to the world stage.

4 years from now? No idea where things will be, no one really knows, but it couldn't be much worse then where things are currently under 8 years of Bush. No matter how much you try to sling that heap of poor decisions onto the Obama administration and call it theirs, as a person from another country...I assure you, we know the difference.

6 days to go! Gotdammit. Can't believe I am in a political thread.

El Kabong · 04-03-2009 05:42 PM

Youngblood go ahead and think of Obama as a saint and set yourself up for future disappointment, it's not my responsibility to try and bring you back down to Earth when you are sinking all your faith into one guy to do what is good and right for not only the US but for the World.

Sure Obama is popular, sure everyone around the world loves him (for now) but there will come a day when Barry will have to make choices that will hurt his image and that may alienate the very people who elected him and that day will come, be it in 4 years or 8 years or tomorrow. Barrack will have to decide between what's good for the US and what is good for someone else, he can't sit on the fence forever and he can't keep his name or face off of these big decisions.

People right now like Obama because he talks alot about "hope" and "change" and "fairness" and what that means to the people is that the government has understood the error of their ways and we promise YOU individually that you will start doing better AND we're also going to punish the people who may have had it better than you before Obama got elected. Well you know what amigo, any time I told any authority figure that something "Wasn't fair" the reply always came back "LIFE ISN'T FAIR" and that is what the whole world will realise when the time comes...Obama likes for people to think that the United States is just another country and we're no better than anyone else is and that we're "partners" and "not a patron" but that isn't the truth.

America was built by special people to be a special country, not to be average.

**VictorCharlie** · 04-03-2009 07:13 PM

Strange I haven't heard anyone mention the fact he is sending 21,000 more troops to Afghanistan. The President should be very careful there. Its the place where empires go to die.

**VictorCharlie** · 04-03-2009 08:29 PM

I didn't realize how old this thread was. In regards to capitalism, wealth redistribution etc. There is no question that our financial system has run amuck and that our government, democrats and republicans alike, failed to do anything about it. I think our country is seriously lacking in accountability. The blame cannot only be place at the top of the financial food chain. American's have come to a sense of entitlement. They are supposed to own a house, buy a new car every couple of years etc etc. As a Staff Sergeant in the Army I epitomize the middle class. My wife and I bought cheap, efficient and reliable cars; we don't carry revolving credit, saved money for our upcoming home purchase, put money into a savings and retirement account every month and overall take an active role in our finances. We are not the rule amongst my co-workers or friends. American middle and lower economic classes must take some ownership for closing the gap. You can't have a country that offers the possibility of tremendous wealth and success w/o the prospect for absolute failure.

**Andre** · 04-03-2009 08:47 PM

Wise words Van Childs,

I feel where society also falls apart is the lack of care for others less fortunate; Another cause as well as what you mention is that once some people reach what they consider a higher level of existance they look down on others and the gap widens into a them and us syndrome.
Disease in nature or from within ourselves is the only instant leveler.

**killersheep** · 04-03-2009 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by VanChilds

I didn't realize how old this thread was. In regards to capitalism, wealth redistribution etc. There is no question that our financial system has run amuck and that our government, democrats and republicans alike, failed to do anything about it. I think our country is seriously lacking in accountability. The blame cannot only be place at the top of the financial food chain. American's have come to a sense of entitlement. They are supposed to own a house, buy a new car every couple of years etc etc. As a Staff Sergeant in the Army I epitomize the middle class. My wife and I bought cheap, efficient and reliable cars; we don't carry revolving credit, saved money for our upcoming home purchase, put money into a savings and retirement account every month and overall take an active role in our finances. We are not the rule amongst my co-workers or friends. American middle and lower economic classes must take some ownership for closing the gap. You can't have a country that offers the possibility of tremendous wealth and success w/o the prospect for absolute failure.

I agree with what you say here. The reality of the current situation however is, if certain institutions do fail we as a nation do not have the infrastructure to stabilize the economy. I completely agree that at a personal level people need to setup a budget and a savings plan. Also individuals need to understand what is a good affordable deal for a loan
and what is not. One of the trickiest things to sustain a capitalist economy of the magnatude we have now, we do have to spend.
I think one of the best things the government could do right now is make available a free excel spreadsheet that people could fill out to determine
what there budget is, not as a mandatory thing of course, just to have and use.

**Andre** · 04-03-2009 09:31 PM

Dont want to sound all doom and gloom but all these empty commercial properties from Whare houses ,factories to offices that have closed down will have more impact on the economy than the empty private housing that people have had to walk away from.

Once the rich are taking hits and they tighten their belts the whole thing gets squezed dry. There will be a new poor being born out this ,that will feel the hits much worse than the street poor that exist already.