The Pirate Situation, Captain Richard Phillips, The Obama Administration

[Youngblood]

I think you missed the point BoomBoom. You started this thread blaming Obama for them not firing the first time the captain jumped out and made a swim for it. Like seriously...are you kidding me?

So to assign that sort of responsibility to him, as you did, as Lyle and others with political agendas tend to do, then you must also assign him the responsibility for the outcome with that rationale. And seeing it was a positive outcome, yes, if you are going to assume him one way, then you should assume the other.

And of course no one with any use of unbiased logic and reason would do that, and consider that maybe it was the people in place at the scene who were handling it to the best of their abilities. Hoping for a good outcome. Not using it as a platform to blame the president.

[BoomBoom]

I think the presidents administration putting out a statement that we wanted to resolve the situation with no violence or loss of life was wrong. He didnt even come out himself with a statement of adress. One, because he didnt know how to react of what to do, or two because it wasnt his priority at the moment. Point is, he didnt show leadership an instead made us look weak by his absence and lack of immediate action. And please, dont talk to me about me having a political agenda and using this situation as an excuse to put blame on the president. Thats low of you to even insinuate. Im just gonna brush that one off and take it as a mistake on your part, because I like ya Youngblood you generally seem like a good dude. But its not as black and white as your making it out to be though, and the problems go far beyond the coast of Somali.

[El Kabong]

So Youngblood, you don't think President hand any say in the situation? You don't think the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF had any say in a situation that involved a US Citizen and US Armed Forces?

It isn't about agenda it's about what's more important housing or someone's life?!?!?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRrXrGg292w
....what are the true priorities of this administration, because bviously it's not our safety/security.

But I guess we can give him a pass, we gave him a pass for talking shit about the country that elected him, we gave him a pass for not responding in any meaningful way to North Korea, and we should give him a pass on this.....let's just wait it out and hopefully Barry's "Cover for me" attitude will fix all that is wrong with the world.....after all he's just sooooo cool, I mean we've got a celebrity as President who's telling foreign people that America as a whole is arrogant and therefore Americans are arrogant and if Barry can take the people of America down a peg then everyone else should have a go too.

Obama has the stage set to pick America up when we're down and what does he do Youngblood? Does he inspire us Does he tell us "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", does he tell us we are the "One shining city on a hill".....no he demeans us and puts us down outside of our country. Is that leadership to you?

[El Kabong]

Youngblood, Bob Hope said it best...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqhh6Ebr9nQ

[OumaFan]

Republicans talking out of their asses, shocking

[boozeboxer]

Youngblood I agree with you on this one.


I am not impressed with Obama at all but this wasn't handled wrong.

[Youngblood]

And I'll in turn brush off your assumptions that the president was responsible for them not firing, and give you credit for having the good sense to realize it was likely the situation that dictated what happened and when. You directly said, and I quote, "Why did the Navy ship not fire on the pirate boat the second the Captain Phillips jumped off the boat? Why were there no snipers with nightvision that attempted to take out the pirate who went after him. The answer is because President Obama wanted no loss of life. Does he value the life of these thugs more than the life of one of our own?"

So you are insinuating the president values the life of Somalian pirates over his own countryman taken hostage, as president, and think it is silly to draw conclusions based on that?

Of course he didn't want loss of life, but did you consider maybe it was the loss of the captain he most feared? Nope, you assumed it was the pirates. How could anyone think he might be trying to save the pirates lives and be risking his own countryman for it. I know agenda when I smell it.

And I like you too BoomBoom, but don't agree with you here. It was a right wing spin on a bad situation that you bought into. No surprise at all Lyle took the leap either.

Now that the situation is over and turned out well, well yes, debate policy along the Somalian Coast, I agree it needs to be looked at, intervention should happen, force, w'e is required. And blame the real people responsibile, the pirates, and thank the real heros, the Navy, the captain, all others there doing all they could.

So yea. That.

And Lyle, c'mon, how can I take anything you say in regards to politics seriously? Don't make like you've never pleasured yourself in the parking lot of a Piggly Wiggly whilst listening to Rush Limbaugh on the radio talk of hoping the president fails.

Anyway, this concludes the youngblood clarity hour on the politics of spin. Always glad to help.

[El Kabong]

The result was great...but the response wasn't so hot. "Guys we're talking about housing right now" doesn't inspire or instill confidence in his leadership.

And all due respect it ain't just Obama, Hillary Clinton laughing about the situation was tacky and in very poor taste.

[BoomBoom]

And for the record Youngblood, although I dont agree with you, if your really only 14 years old im f@ckin blown away. Yo got a bright future dude, maybe not in American politics ....but I respect your opinion and articulation. Now get ya @ss back to boxing talk

[BoomBoom]

I will admit that my initial post did jump from one thing to another and, yes, i could have taken a more cautious stance because the story was still unraveling and there were some unknown factors. This incident struck a nerve with me though and that is how I felt. I think I clarified myself in the next few posts thought. Again, I stand by what I said, but yes I could have worded myself better.

For the record, as far as making assumtions, you assume I am a Republican. I am not. Nor am I a Democrat. I look at each individual issue and make a judgement based on that, not because it is popular with a political party. Im a lower class guy myself in a democratic state. I take stances on things based on personal judgement, not political parties.

[Youngblood]

I will admit that my initial post did jump from one thing to another and, yes, i could have taken a more cautious stance because the story was still unraveling and there were some unknown factors. This incident struck a nerve with me though and that is how I felt. I think I clarified myself in the next few posts thought. Again, I stand by what I said, but yes I could have worded myself better.

For the record, as far as making assumtions, you assume I am a Republican. I am not. Nor am I a Democrat. I look at each individual issue and make a judgement based on that, not because it is popular with a political party. Im a lower class guy myself in a democratic state. I take stances on things based on personal judgement, not political parties.

Well that's cool BoomBoom, and I don't judge based on a party preference, but the spin that often surrounds it. I'm not suggesting that it is only one party doing, as it is part and parcel to politics, period. I just tend to side more with the Dems and their ideology.

So you are an independant then? And not to clump all independants into a group, for I don't think they are...but what do you think of Lou Dobbs? I'd like to punch that guy right in the face!