Anyone else think Winky is easy money tonight?

[DaxxKahn]

haha that's what we love stand over the fence with a foot firmly in both sides

I actually didn't think he showed his age that much really, it was just Williams was that good. He'd have been a nightmare for Winky at any time in his career imo.

You caught that one did ya.....

In all honesty no he did not look too bad...Certainly showed he lost a few steps though...The long layoff may have really been a big factor in his performance....
The work rate of Williams was just too much for Winky to deal with

I think the main factor is that Williams is just a whole lot more awkward to figure out than we realised.

I actually (suprisingly) liked Larry Merchant's pre fight analysis about how in battles between old champs and young stars its usually speed that kills.

I think Williams workrate was just to much and he threw far too many combinations for Winky to handle.

It's difficult to see who could beat him at 147-154 but Quintana managed it so he can't be unbeatable.

If he makes a mark at 160 I'd love to see Joe come out of retirement and give him an boxing lesson.

I guess its possible however that a fight with Bernard Hopkins is not completely out of the picture at a 170 catchweight if neither can get a big fight later this year.

After what Williams did to Winky and Hopkins did to Pavlik that would make for an intriguing fight.

He certainly did little to prove he is the most feared man in boxing...In fact as a MW IMO his power is dramatically lessened...

Hs team was smart to turn down a fight with Pavlik in the past and after last night regardless of out put he does not have the steam to keep a Pavlik or AA off of him....

I think either of the two champions would make sport of him.......

A fight with Sturm at MW would be his best route right now....

Calzaghe would ruin him if Joe came out of retirement...

[Kev]

You caught that one did ya.....

In all honesty no he did not look too bad...Certainly showed he lost a few steps though...The long layoff may have really been a big factor in his performance....
The work rate of Williams was just too much for Winky to deal with

I think the main factor is that Williams is just a whole lot more awkward to figure out than we realised.

I actually (suprisingly) liked Larry Merchant's pre fight analysis about how in battles between old champs and young stars its usually speed that kills.

I think Williams workrate was just to much and he threw far too many combinations for Winky to handle.

It's difficult to see who could beat him at 147-154 but Quintana managed it so he can't be unbeatable.

If he makes a mark at 160 I'd love to see Joe come out of retirement and give him an boxing lesson.

I guess its possible however that a fight with Bernard Hopkins is not completely out of the picture at a 170 catchweight if neither can get a big fight later this year.

After what Williams did to Winky and Hopkins did to Pavlik that would make for an intriguing fight.

He certainly did little to prove he is the most feared man in boxing...In fact as a MW IMO his power is dramatically lessened...

Hs team was smart to turn down a fight with Pavlik in the past and after last night regardless of out put he does not have the steam to keep a Pavlik or AA off of him....

I think either of the two champions would make sport of him.......

A fight with Sturm at MW would be his best route right now....

Calzaghe would ruin him if Joe came out of retirement...

You're a difficult man to please Daxx!

I don't remember anyone ever beating Winky like that he completely dominated him I thought it was a great performance.

He may not have the power of Abraham or Pavlik but his workrate will cause tremendous problems for anyone I think.

His punch output is probably even higher than Calzaghe's another fighter whose power has been maligned and who 'slaps'.

I don't think Williams lack of one punch power will hurt him much he just throws so many damn punches he takes the other guy out of their gameplan.

I need to see him in with another big middleweight before I think he can take on the likes of Pavlik and Abraham but honestly already he jumps to number 3 in that weight class imo.

What other contenders are there? I think he beats handily the likes of Duddy, Mora, Slyvestor, Maklin etc.

Not sure what weight Mundine is fighting at these days but that would be a great matchup, although obviously since Kessler Mundine has refused to fight anyone who is above club fighter or faded journeyman level so unlikely to happen

[DaxxKahn]

I think the main factor is that Williams is just a whole lot more awkward to figure out than we realised.

I actually (suprisingly) liked Larry Merchant's pre fight analysis about how in battles between old champs and young stars its usually speed that kills.

I think Williams workrate was just to much and he threw far too many combinations for Winky to handle.

It's difficult to see who could beat him at 147-154 but Quintana managed it so he can't be unbeatable.

If he makes a mark at 160 I'd love to see Joe come out of retirement and give him an boxing lesson.

I guess its possible however that a fight with Bernard Hopkins is not completely out of the picture at a 170 catchweight if neither can get a big fight later this year.

After what Williams did to Winky and Hopkins did to Pavlik that would make for an intriguing fight.

He certainly did little to prove he is the most feared man in boxing...In fact as a MW IMO his power is dramatically lessened...

Hs team was smart to turn down a fight with Pavlik in the past and after last night regardless of out put he does not have the steam to keep a Pavlik or AA off of him....

I think either of the two champions would make sport of him.......

A fight with Sturm at MW would be his best route right now....

Calzaghe would ruin him if Joe came out of retirement...

You're a difficult man to please Daxx!

I don't remember anyone ever beating Winky like that he completely dominated him I thought it was a great performance.

He may not have the power of Abraham or Pavlik but his workrate will cause tremendous problems for anyone I think.

His punch output is probably even higher than Calzaghe's another fighter whose power has been maligned and who 'slaps'.

I don't think Williams lack of one punch power will hurt him much he just throws so many damn punches he takes the other guy out of their gameplan.

I need to see him in with another big middleweight before I think he can take on the likes of Pavlik and Abraham but honestly already he jumps to number 3 in that weight class imo.

What other contenders are there? I think he beats handily the likes of Duddy, Mora, Slyvestor, Maklin etc.

Not sure what weight Mundine is fighting at these days but that would be a great matchup, although obviously since Kessler Mundine has refused to fight anyone who is above club fighter or faded journeyman level so unlikely to happen

I agree on what you are saying....Maybe I am a little hard on Williams but he just talked so much shit after winning the belt from Tony and just sat around to lose it to Quintana....I am all for shit talking but don't just stand around and rest on your laurels...

I want to see Williams in a war with a fighter his size that gives him something to comeback from...So far when he was tested he lost to Quintana....The 1st rd KO in the rematch would not happen again if they fought 20 more times...not that Quintana would beat him 20 tiomes just the KO caught Carlos off guard he was not expecting Paul to come out like that....Though it was a good win

I want to see him against a guy like Pavlik, AA hell even Miranda who would not be deterred just me

[ClubberLang]

Daxx, I think you seriously under estimate Paul's punching power. Before the second Quintana fight I would have agreed with you, but you talk about learning from a loss. He and his team went back to the drawing board and he is sitting down on his punches MUCH better now. Does he have one punch power? No, but he gave both Phillips and Winky serious beatings. Made Phillips quit on the stool and was damn close to a stoppage a couple of times against Winky. He was beat up worse than I've ever seen him after that fight. Paul certainly has acquired respectable power. And the sheer volume adds up to a lot of hurt.

I think if he fights Pavlik and Abraham, there is no way either can win on the scorecards. If it goes a full 12, Paul wins an easy decision against either because of his tireless work rate (especially against Abraham who has a tendency towards inactive rounds). The big question is whether or not he can take a punch from a legit power punching middleweight. He's shown a serious beard up to this point, but that was against guys at 147 and 154 and of course Winky has not knocked out anyone of note in years. If he can take the punch he will out work either to a clear decision.