The Thrilla in Manilla Documentary

[Majesty]

Frazier did call Ali Cassius and other stuff but that was only in response to the stuff Ali was coming out with. It was not Ali's finest hour.

I am always shocked to find when we agree on something.


As for Joe Frazier calling Ali 'Cassius'...is that better or worse than calling a black person a "gorrilla", "Uncle Tom", or just plain ignorant. It's not like Frazier rolled out with the Family who owned Ali's relatives or anything. Muhammed Ali changed his name when he joined one of the dumbest fucking groups in the entire world the "Nation of Islam" a group of people who think that all muslims are black and the KKK is correct on segregation, and that the blue eyed white devil causes all the evil in the world...I think calling Ali 'Cassius' in hindsight ought to be considered a compliment along the lines of saying something like "I know you aren't THAT dumb Ali".

Your logic can make a lot of sense now but you have to understand how times were back then and how different mindsets were. It's not the world you or I grew up in and its something neither will understand nor be able to make sense of because we werent living back then and don't know what our opinions would be or say we'd be raised the same. So to look back on times and say "its stupid to live that way" yeah, hindsight is always 20-20. But at the time, it wasnt looked at it that way. It was over 40 years ago, there's no point in trying to make sense of it now imo.

[El Kabong]

Your logic can make a lot of sense now but you have to understand how times were back then and how different mindsets were. It's not the world you or I grew up in and its something neither will understand nor be able to make sense of because we werent living back then and don't know what our opinions would be or say we'd be raised the same. So to look back on times and say "its stupid to live that way" yeah, hindsight is always 20-20. But at the time, it wasnt looked at it that way. It was over 40 years ago, there's no point in trying to make sense of it now imo.

I addressed that in the part of my post that you chose not to quote....I think it is fucking childish and down right mean to trash a member of your own race the way Ali did for the reasons Ali did.

Was Joe Frazier white?
Did Joe Frazier start the Vietnam War?
Did Joe Frazier stand for segregation?
Did Joe Frazier unleash dogs and firehoses on black people?
Did Joe Frazier call anyone a n*gger?

The answers to all those questions is NO but oddly enough Ali did support segregation and Ali made Joe Frazier the embodiment of all those issues in the minds of some VERY ignorant people in the 1970's.

And post the 1968 Presidential Election the Vietnam War was extremely unpopular.