Roach V's Mayweather snr

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Floyd Mayweather Sr.'s influence in Hattons fightin style is defenetely greater than Roach's on Pac for this fight.

[Quinito]

Floyd Mayweather Sr.'s influence in Hattons fightin style is defenetely greater than Roach's on Pac for this fight.

And that's why Pac is 2-time WBAA fighter of the year and Roach is a 3-time WBAA coach of the year?

I think no boxing duo can top them right now.

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Floyd Mayweather Sr.'s influence in Hattons fightin style is defenetely greater than Roach's on Pac for this fight.

And that's why Pac is 2-time WBAA fighter of the year and Roach is a 3-time WBAA coach of the year?

I think no boxing duo can top them right now.

I said for this fight not for their whole time together...

[Chino]

Mayweather is a very good teacher though but he never shaped as many world champions as Roach and he's often mostly talk

Well, he CREATED a boxer who is yet to show a clear weakness/flaw: Floyd Mayweather Jr. So he's not THAT bad really.

when he says for example "PAcquiao has no head movement" and such, it's obvious that it ain't the case, just a look at Pacquiao against JMM or DLH and you can see that he looks like a booble head

Against JMM maybe, let's take out ODLH from the picture since he didn't test Pac AT ALL. Pac moves OK when it comes to defense. I think Mayweather did a better job teaching Floyd how to move his head and end up clean in his fights with not even a scratch compared to what Pac has learned that makes him finish fights with bruises, cuts, blood, swollen eyes, etc. We can't forget that a fighter will still implement what he learned or not. I'll say most has to do with the boxer and a smaller percentage to the trainers, nutritionists, etc.

I prefer Roach's style of giving advices and using his minute wisely instead of the Mayweather strange advices and speech like: "yeahhhhh mannnnnnn commmme onnnn mannnn, ya knoowww yaaa mann, give it more try mannn, work more, ya know what I'm sayiinnn" kind of riddles

I agree. I rather have someone telling me what to do even if I am winning. I have seen trainers tell their guy "Yeah! You're totally winning! Alright! See?! I told you! You will be champ!..." no no no, I want to hear my trainer telling me what I should keep doing and all.

[Taeth]

I think Floyd Mayweather Snr is more style based, while Roach is more fighter based, Roach can teach any type of fighter, where I think the guys that would really benefit from Floyd Mayweather Snr coaching are guys like Toney, Berto, Gamboa, Mayweather JR, Guzman, etc. Guys who use the shoulder roll and are defensive minded.

I am surprised that Mayweather Snr didn't have Hatton carrying his hands higher, I still felt Hatton was getting hit by punches he didn't need to, Tyson could have his hands up and still come in quickly.

[Taeth]

Mayweather is a very good teacher though but he never shaped as many world champions as Roach and he's often mostly talk

Well, he CREATED a boxer who is yet to show a clear weakness/flaw: Floyd Mayweather Jr. So he's not THAT bad really.

when he says for example "PAcquiao has no head movement" and such, it's obvious that it ain't the case, just a look at Pacquiao against JMM or DLH and you can see that he looks like a booble head

Against JMM maybe, let's take out ODLH from the picture since he didn't test Pac AT ALL. I think Pac moves OK when it comes to defense. I think Mayweather did a better job teaching Floyd how to move his head and end up clean in his fights with not even a scratch compared to what Pac has learned that makes him finish fights with bruises, cuts, blood, swollen eyes, etc. We can't forget that a fighter will still implement what he learned or not. I'll say most has to do with the boxer and a smaller percentage to the trainers, nutritionists, etc.

I prefer Roach's style of giving advices and using his minute wisely instead of the Mayweather strange advices and speech like: "yeahhhhh mannnnnnn commmme onnnn mannnn, ya knoowww yaaa mann, give it more try mannn, work more, ya know what I'm sayiinnn" kind of riddles

I agree. I rather have someone telling me what to do even if I am winning. I have seen trainers tell their guy "Yeah! You're totally winning! Alright! See?! I told you! You will be champ!..." no no no, I want to hear my trainer telling me what I should keep doing and all.

To be fair Oscay never got a chance to get off, Pacquiao was too quick to get in and out, I am not sure even prime Oscar would have been fast enough for Pacquiao, I mean he's always tried to box guys faster than him to his own peril.

[The Fightfan]

As I have posted on another thread. Why abandon what has got you to where you are. Hatton's head movement,slickness and what have you will be lost in about five rounds and he will revert back to what Hatton is a brawler. Only problem after that is he will be much more tired from doing all of this extra head movement. Like I have stated once before as they did with Joe Frazier " well now we are gonna come back with Joe's right hand". Why do this when you were tremendous left hooker. It is just pointless at this stage of Hatton's career and it will get him hurt.

[Scrap]

With all great Fighters the Head doesnt move, its everything else that moves. If the Head moves independantly you are of Balance Fact

[Nameless]

Mayweather is a very good teacher though but he never shaped as many world champions as Roach and he's often mostly talk

Well, he CREATED a boxer who is yet to show a clear weakness/flaw: Floyd Mayweather Jr. So he's not THAT bad really.

when he says for example "PAcquiao has no head movement" and such, it's obvious that it ain't the case, just a look at Pacquiao against JMM or DLH and you can see that he looks like a booble head

Against JMM maybe, let's take out ODLH from the picture since he didn't test Pac AT ALL. I think Pac moves OK when it comes to defense. I think Mayweather did a better job teaching Floyd how to move his head and end up clean in his fights with not even a scratch compared to what Pac has learned that makes him finish fights with bruises, cuts, blood, swollen eyes, etc. We can't forget that a fighter will still implement what he learned or not. I'll say most has to do with the boxer and a smaller percentage to the trainers, nutritionists, etc.

I prefer Roach's style of giving advices and using his minute wisely instead of the Mayweather strange advices and speech like: "yeahhhhh mannnnnnn commmme onnnn mannnn, ya knoowww yaaa mann, give it more try mannn, work more, ya know what I'm sayiinnn" kind of riddles

I agree. I rather have someone telling me what to do even if I am winning. I have seen trainers tell their guy "Yeah! You're totally winning! Alright! See?! I told you! You will be champ!..." no no no, I want to hear my trainer telling me what I should keep doing and all.

I agree mostly with everything but you cannot compare PAcquiao to Floyd Jr, they have both different styles, Floyd is overall more skilled but he didn't have the opposition Pacman had till now AND to measure the skills that Roach gives to his boxers and the skills Mayweather Sr gives, you have to measure it with let's say their top 10 boxers respectively, not only one, especially as Mayweather has been trained mostly by his uncles in his most significants matches.