mayeather vs pacman

[ICB]

OK now mayweather announced his comback on the day of the hatton - pacquiao fight

who wins if this fight takes place.

this will be a different fight altogether but they are both matched in Speed and i would give Pac the edge on power whatever weight they meet at.

i for one think Mayweather should be no2 p4p now but did before he retired

one things for sure, we as boxing fans have a massive superfight to look forward to....thats if Mayweather wins his next fight

so who you got ?

To be honest i don't really think this is a hard fight to call, yes he beat Ricky Hatton very impressively and deserves alot of respect. But Manny Pacquiao does do better against fighters that come towards him, and lets be honest Ricky Hatton had his chin up in the air and was asking to get KO'ed.

People are forgetting despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements he still had hell against JMM, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is bigger and a better counter puncher than JMM IMO. He also has a much better defense, Manny Pacquiao didn't look good against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight when MAB didn't come towards him and he boxed. And i thought MAB done well he just wasn't active enough.

If you actually look back at Manny Pacquiao's struggles you'll notice, he didn't look that great against Oscar Larios despite flooring him twice, he was badly stunned himself and was taken the full 12, and as i said he didn't look that impressive against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight, and he had the same trouble he had against JMM in 2004.

And i know he wasn't at his peak against Erik Morales in there 1st fight, but again Erik Morales boxed Manny Pacquiao making him come towards him. Which in turn is why Manny Pacquiao lost, history shows Manny Pacquiao doesn't fare too well against opponents who don't come towards him.

Where as fighters like ODLH, Ricky Hatton, David Diaz, all come straight forward against Manny Pacquiao. Which is why Manny Pacquiao beat these fighters with ease. My prediction hasn't changed anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr, can do better Floyd Mayweather Jr by UD but a stoppage win wouldn't suprise me either.

Manny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.

What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,

So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...

DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,

Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled

Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...

This was a P4P ranked man!!!!

Im not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.

Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.

I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.

I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?

Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.

And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?

He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Manju]

I have to go with PBF because of style. He's in Pernell Whitaker and Benny Leonard territory: defensive genius' who are almost impossible to look good against.

Its possible at age 32 PBF has slowed a bit, and that split second in reflex can transform a fighter from unbeatable to mortal, as RJJ discovered rather quickly.

But short of that, PBF is one of those rare defense-first fighters who remain complete enigma's in their prime: impossible puzzles to solve.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I think with floyd's long arms and ring smarts..manny will be on the end of the jab all night... but if he sneaks a left through which im sure he will...then we could have a fight..but i think manny will get a lesson albeit he will be the most unruly student for floyd.

[DaxxKahn]

To be honest i don't really think this is a hard fight to call, yes he beat Ricky Hatton very impressively and deserves alot of respect. But Manny Pacquiao does do better against fighters that come towards him, and lets be honest Ricky Hatton had his chin up in the air and was asking to get KO'ed.

People are forgetting despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements he still had hell against JMM, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is bigger and a better counter puncher than JMM IMO. He also has a much better defense, Manny Pacquiao didn't look good against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight when MAB didn't come towards him and he boxed. And i thought MAB done well he just wasn't active enough.

If you actually look back at Manny Pacquiao's struggles you'll notice, he didn't look that great against Oscar Larios despite flooring him twice, he was badly stunned himself and was taken the full 12, and as i said he didn't look that impressive against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight, and he had the same trouble he had against JMM in 2004.

And i know he wasn't at his peak against Erik Morales in there 1st fight, but again Erik Morales boxed Manny Pacquiao making him come towards him. Which in turn is why Manny Pacquiao lost, history shows Manny Pacquiao doesn't fare too well against opponents who don't come towards him.

Where as fighters like ODLH, Ricky Hatton, David Diaz, all come straight forward against Manny Pacquiao. Which is why Manny Pacquiao beat these fighters with ease. My prediction hasn't changed anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr, can do better Floyd Mayweather Jr by UD but a stoppage win wouldn't suprise me either.

Manny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.

What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,

So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...

DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,

Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled

Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...

This was a P4P ranked man!!!!

Im not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.

Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.

I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.

I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?

Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.

And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?

He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Tell you what,,,,if the fight comes off you make the bet....

[ICB]

Manny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.

What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,

So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...

DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,

Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled

Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...

This was a P4P ranked man!!!!

Im not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.

Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.

I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.

I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?

Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.

And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?

He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Tell you what,,,,if the fight comes off you make the bet....

I would confidently take one but i can't do a sig bet, because im a bit on and off on this forum at the moment. And at times i will be off for a few weeks or so, but if you don't mind that we can do that or a rep bet or whatever. Its your call chief.

[hitmanhatton]

are people forgetting how Judah gave PBF trouble for the first half of their fight, and lets not forget that Judah has the mind of a small child who gets distracted and forgets were he is from the 6th round on of all his fights,

Pacquiao is as faster if not faster than Mayweather and this will give Floyd problems, the southpaw style makes him a little uncomfortable too i think and with the power manny has i dont see him throwing away the opportunitys that Zab did

[ICB]

are people forgetting how Judah gave PBF trouble for the first half of their fight, and lets not forget that Judah has the mind of a small child who gets distracted and forgets were he is from the 6th round on of all his fights,

Pacquiao is as faster if not faster than Mayweather and this will give Floyd problems, the southpaw style makes him a little uncomfortable too i think and with the power manny has i dont see him throwing away the opportunitys that Zab did

Zab Judah is faster than Manny Pacquiao and there not really alike at all, and i don't remember Zab Judah having that much success. He won 3 out of 4 rounds at the start, then Floyd Mayweather Jr worked him out then battered him for the rest of the fight.

And would of stopped him had it not been for that desperate move from Zab Judah in the 10th round. And i don't think Floyd Mayweather Jr has much trouble with Southpaw's he easily beat DeMarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell.

And lastly im gonna return the question to you, have you forgotten the trouble Manny Pacquiao had with JMM's counter punching style ? and isn't Floyd Mayweather Jr faster, bigger, stronger, and much better defensively aswell as a better counter puncher than JMM ?

[hitmanhatton]

hmm firstly i would disagree that Judah is faster, secondly yes he took 3 rounds of 4 and then he began to unravel as Judah does, however Pac will be as fresh and eager to go for all 12 rounds or for however long it lasts,

the only two fighters to have rocked mayweather even slightly were southpaws, Corley and Judah, coincedence ?

and using Corley and Mitchell as examples ?? were talking top level fighters here a total different kettle of fish to those two

Floyd wont attack Manny in the way JMM did, yes he counter punched well but after that hed chase Pac down and not just hit him once before getting back on the bike as PBF will do,

intelligent pressure is the name of the game here and Pac will put that on floyd, wait and see

[JonesJrMayweather]

are people forgetting how Judah gave PBF trouble for the first half of their fight, and lets not forget that Judah has the mind of a small child who gets distracted and forgets were he is from the 6th round on of all his fights,

Pacquiao is as faster if not faster than Mayweather and this will give Floyd problems, the southpaw style makes him a little uncomfortable too i think and with the power manny has i dont see him throwing away the opportunitys that Zab did

Are people forgetting that Zab's arms are five inches longer than Pacman's plus two inches taller. The opportunities that Zab had won't be there for Manny. Manny's opportunities won't present themselves in the same light as Judah's. PACMAN will have to look to another strategy. Because Floyd will stay on the outside jabbing until manny reaches for him out of desperation.

[DaxxKahn]

are people forgetting how Judah gave PBF trouble for the first half of their fight, and lets not forget that Judah has the mind of a small child who gets distracted and forgets were he is from the 6th round on of all his fights,

Pacquiao is as faster if not faster than Mayweather and this will give Floyd problems, the southpaw style makes him a little uncomfortable too i think and with the power manny has i dont see him throwing away the opportunitys that Zab did

Judah in no way is faster then pacquiao....not on a consistant basis anyhow

[DaxxKahn]

Im not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.

Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.

I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.

I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?

Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.

And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?

He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Tell you what,,,,if the fight comes off you make the bet....

I would confidently take one but i can't do a sig bet, because im a bit on and off on this forum at the moment. And at times i will be off for a few weeks or so, but if you don't mind that we can do that or a rep bet or whatever. Its your call chief.

I cant commit to a sig bet myself at the moment...at least until Haye/Wlad beccause I have the bet w lefty already...but we will come up w something

[blegit]

To be honest i don't really think this is a hard fight to call, yes he beat Ricky Hatton very impressively and deserves alot of respect. But Manny Pacquiao does do better against fighters that come towards him, and lets be honest Ricky Hatton had his chin up in the air and was asking to get KO'ed.

People are forgetting despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements he still had hell against JMM, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is bigger and a better counter puncher than JMM IMO. He also has a much better defense, Manny Pacquiao didn't look good against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight when MAB didn't come towards him and he boxed. And i thought MAB done well he just wasn't active enough.

If you actually look back at Manny Pacquiao's struggles you'll notice, he didn't look that great against Oscar Larios despite flooring him twice, he was badly stunned himself and was taken the full 12, and as i said he didn't look that impressive against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight, and he had the same trouble he had against JMM in 2004.

And i know he wasn't at his peak against Erik Morales in there 1st fight, but again Erik Morales boxed Manny Pacquiao making him come towards him. Which in turn is why Manny Pacquiao lost, history shows Manny Pacquiao doesn't fare too well against opponents who don't come towards him.

Where as fighters like ODLH, Ricky Hatton, David Diaz, all come straight forward against Manny Pacquiao. Which is why Manny Pacquiao beat these fighters with ease. My prediction hasn't changed anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr, can do better Floyd Mayweather Jr by UD but a stoppage win wouldn't suprise me either.

Manny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.

What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,

So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...

DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,

Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled

Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...

This was a P4P ranked man!!!!

Im not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.

Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.

I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.

I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?

Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.

And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?

He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

You are right on. People refuse to attack the fact that Pac fights guys who come straight in. Those are the ones he looks special against. JMM gave him fits and I personally thought he won the second fight but either way Pac and JMM are neck and neck. Pac did well against Hatton and he deserves 1 p4p without argument now. But beating Hatton did nothing to compare a PBF fight. It may turn to be detrimental confidence. Pac will have to change his whole style in what he is training for. His angle punches are not going to be thrown at a target in front of him. I really think people should not be taking this much from the Hatton fight. It was the same ol Pac against the same ol Hatton.

[Typhoon]

Manny Pac wins by early round stoppage at 144 catch weight. He throws accurate punches with blinding speed. PBF can be cute and slick all he wants, but he won't be able to do it in 12 rounds.

I see Roach studying some PBF tapes now.

[Rocky Balboa]

This fight had no effect on my confidence in Floyd beating PAC. Though stunning, remember Hatton did come in with chin in the air, hands way to low, no head movement, and charging to make a sum of forces. This does not mean the defensive genius of Floyd Mayweather will be able to be beaten. Good KO by PAC but it means nothing against Floyd.

[Rantcatrat]

This fight had no effect on my confidence in Floyd beating PAC. Though stunning, remember Hatton did come in with chin in the air, hands way to low, no head movement, and charging to make a sum of forces. This does not mean the defensive genius of Floyd Mayweather will be able to be beaten. Good KO by PAC but it means nothing against Floyd.

It is more about size than anything. Pacquiao stands 5'6 and has a 67" reach; Floyd stands 5'8 and has a 72" reach. PBF has fought at 147 since 2006. Manny was fighting below 130 at that time. They may be very comparable in speed, agility, and endurance. But, pardon the cliche, all other things being equal, a naturally bigger man will beat a smaller man.

N.B. Hatton and Pacquiao didn't actually look too different in size. They stood about the same size and Pacquiao actually had a longer reach.

Floyd should put all the naysayers criticism to rest by challenging true welters. He should beat SSM, Cotto, and Pwill. That would do more for his legacy than beating Pac.

Beating Floyd would do a lot for Pac's legacy because PBF is the former p4p #1 and a naturally bigger man. In beating Pac, Floyd would just be beating another smaller man, albeit the greatest in the last 20 years, but another smaller man.