Damn Hatton, why why why!!!

[JonesJrMayweather]

Man...what a way to find out...that was the same as PBF v Gatti...in terms of A+ vs C rated... but i thought Hatton was legit at 140...i guess it was KT's age and not hatton's ability

Fighters do get old. They do lose the edge over the years that they once had. This happens faster with aggressive fighters and I personally find it insulting that fair weather fans like you quickly turn on a fighter who risk their health over and over again.

Hatton gets shit on all of the sudden for losing? Any fighter who takes real risks lose at some point. Those same fighters earn my respect way more than the ones who carefully craft who their next opponent will be.

Hatton went out on his shield like a man. He got beaten by another man who has taken many risks. We many never see another fighter unite fans in the way Ricky did and that alone deserves respect. Win or Lose.

By the way grade C fighters do not achieve what hatton did. Not even close!

here we go again...im not turning on hatton..my picking him to win was just so floyd would face maybe mosley...but seeing as how pac is legit at 140...not sold on him at 147..pac and mosley are capable of beating floyd...

I was simply asking why didnt hatton learn from his last fight with a quick opponent? Why does he believe he can walk straight to guys with fast hands, and with his guard down at that?

and as far as him being C-rated and his accomplishments...he beat some contenders, an old KT and Castillo, and thoroughly outclassed by the only two A-rated fighters on his resume...

[NuthaPug]

Hatton was great at being just the kind of boxer he was ... which was not a great boxer. A swarmer, an overwhelmer, a puncher, with good speed and enough power to beat most comers. And heart in spades.

He was not a class C boxer - he was (is) better than that - but there is a gap between him and the greats. Not a sweet scientist like PBF or the later Lennox, and a scientist with speed and sufficient power should generally win over Hatton's style.

I don't know what to say about Hatton's win over Tzyu ... that still does't seem logical. That is one of those fights that depresses me.

It is rather incredible that hatton would come straight in without good defense when fighting someone like Manny. Not too smart.

But - don't blame Paq's win too much on Hatton's poor boxing skills, or you can't make an argument for Manny to step into a ring with PBF, at least not on the basis of his fight with Hatton.

[Gandalf]

It was horrible.

Hatton did almost everything that you really shouldn't be doing. Hands low, chin wide open, storming straight in, no head movement, no jab, loading up and missing with wild hooks.

Nothing was there for him and also his punch resistance was shot. Pac hasn't been blowing anybody away in two rounds. It's truly shocking that such a thing could happen at this level. It was bizarre and very upsetting. And I'm not talking Manny down becuase he did everything right. Kept his composure and picked Hatton off.

I'm still totally amazed by it all.

[brucelee]

It was horrible.

Hatton did almost everything that you really shouldn't be doing. Hands low, chin wide open, storming straight in, no head movement, no jab, loading up and missing with wild hooks.

Nothing was there for him and also his punch resistance was shot. Pac hasn't been blowing anybody away in two rounds. It's truly shocking that such a thing could happen at this level. It was bizarre and very upsetting. And I'm not talking Manny down becuase he did everything right. Kept his composure and picked Hatton off.

I'm still totally amazed by it all.

He was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

It was horrible.

Hatton did almost everything that you really shouldn't be doing. Hands low, chin wide open, storming straight in, no head movement, no jab, loading up and missing with wild hooks.

Nothing was there for him and also his punch resistance was shot. Pac hasn't been blowing anybody away in two rounds. It's truly shocking that such a thing could happen at this level. It was bizarre and very upsetting. And I'm not talking Manny down becuase he did everything right. Kept his composure and picked Hatton off.

I'm still totally amazed by it all.

He was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.

neg rep for that.

[brucelee]

It was horrible.

Hatton did almost everything that you really shouldn't be doing. Hands low, chin wide open, storming straight in, no head movement, no jab, loading up and missing with wild hooks.

Nothing was there for him and also his punch resistance was shot. Pac hasn't been blowing anybody away in two rounds. It's truly shocking that such a thing could happen at this level. It was bizarre and very upsetting. And I'm not talking Manny down becuase he did everything right. Kept his composure and picked Hatton off.

I'm still totally amazed by it all.

He was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.

neg rep for that.

Thank you. you've just shown how ignorant you are. I said against pac,DLH LOOKED amateur. What's wrong with that? He was indeed schooled by Pac. Tell me if DLH was not schooled by Pac and I'll tell you that you haven't watched the fight.

Sad that you're still bitter about our little argument about Barrera and Khan. I could not think of any reason why you give the neg rep.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

He was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.

neg rep for that.

Thank you. you've just shown how ignorant you are. I said against pac,DLH LOOKED amateur. What's wrong with that? He was indeed schooled by Pac. Tell me if DLH was not schooled by Pac and I'll tell you that you haven't watched the fight.

Sad that you're still bitter about our little argument about Barrera and Khan. I could not think of any reason why you give the neg rep.

Because you're once again taking credit when it's not due and once again making pac fans looks like idiots. 99% of people agree that DLH was a weight drained shell and you think it's a great reflection on Pac.

& if I could sad click/neg rep you again for thinking that I've been waiting for an opportunity to neg rep you because of some preceived slur you've kept in your head for two months beggars belief. You're a sad little man.

[Mr140]

Hatton to me is a Gatti level fighter no more and no less and as far as chin goes he gets knocked out by pbf who is no ko master. Then gets destroyed by pac in a few rounds i mean Pac could not ever floor a shot Oscar and he was landing on him at will that all i really got to say.

[XaduBoxer]

neg rep for that.

Thank you. you've just shown how ignorant you are. I said against pac,DLH LOOKED amateur. What's wrong with that? He was indeed schooled by Pac. Tell me if DLH was not schooled by Pac and I'll tell you that you haven't watched the fight.

Sad that you're still bitter about our little argument about Barrera and Khan. I could not think of any reason why you give the neg rep.

Because you're once again taking credit when it's not due and once again making pac fans looks like idiots. 99% of people agree that DLH was a weight drained shell and you think it's a great reflection on Pac.

& if I could sad click/neg rep you again for thinking that I've been waiting for an opportunity to neg rep you because of some preceived slur you've kept in your head for two months beggars belief. You're a sad little man.

On my final thoughts for PAC-Hatton fight, I pointed out Hatton is always talking that people were reading too much of PAC's last fight (against Hoya) and further claimed that he could KO Hoya earlier if it was him fighting...

Big mistake... Yes Hoya was a weight drained shell, a human punching bag... That image of Hoya blinded most people on what PAC has done impressively that night... PAC was super quick (as always)... PAC's quickness made Hoya looked like an amateur... PAC busted Hoya's face... PAC inflicted the worst beating ever on Hoya... I always cherished that photo of Hoya facing a blank space while PAC was firing bombs at his side... Totally amazing...

Hatton totally believing on the "Hoya was a weight drained shell" pronouncement made him with no respect for PAC's power... Hatton became over confident on himself thinking he's the bigger and stronger guy... I remember Hatton was asked by a reporter on how he plan to deal with PAC's power and he replied "f-u-c-k--o-f-f" ... Totally wrong mind set by Hatton... tsk tsk ...

[britsday]

It was horrible.

Hatton did almost everything that you really shouldn't be doing. Hands low, chin wide open, storming straight in, no head movement, no jab, loading up and missing with wild hooks.

Nothing was there for him and also his punch resistance was shot. Pac hasn't been blowing anybody away in two rounds. It's truly shocking that such a thing could happen at this level. It was bizarre and very upsetting. And I'm not talking Manny down becuase he did everything right. Kept his composure and picked Hatton off.

I'm still totally amazed by it all.

He was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.

amen to that! with all the prayer's and disciplined with his training this is all he got.hatton is a dirty boxer and just want to sleep in the canvass. bwahahaha...

[Gandalf]

stay with Billy Graham? it doesn't make sense sir,,,,still manny will destroy hatton....who train ricky hatton before? Billy Graham right? that's why even floyd sr. teach him to be a fast and defeinsive boxer it didnt work because Billy Graham teaching....hatton always hug his opponent then punch that's the hatton we know and once again we saw that in his fight againts pacman....so bottom line her is Billy Graham teach hatton in a wrong way of boxing.... Billy Graham is the worst trainer that british boxing ever had.....he just teach hatton how to "hug and punch" that's all......hatton just stay in england so you will win again...because your reffere there will tolarate the "hug and punch" style of yours....no one can beat the pac...

Graham had his limitations but Ricky became a world champion in two divisions and it took the best fighter in the world to stop him eventually. Hatton was taught how to box and it wasn't all punch clinch punch. Go and watch some early Hatton fights, he can fight a lot smarter and fluently than people give him credit for.

Manny is a special fighter, and you should be grateful for him. Attacking Graham solves nothing, he did very, very well with Ricky. It's attitudes like yours that detract from Manny, show a little respect.

[halo1]

stay with Billy Graham? it doesn't make sense sir,,,,still manny will destroy hatton....who train ricky hatton before? Billy Graham right? that's why even floyd sr. teach him to be a fast and defeinsive boxer it didnt work because Billy Graham teaching....hatton always hug his opponent then punch that's the hatton we know and once again we saw that in his fight againts pacman....so bottom line her is Billy Graham teach hatton in a wrong way of boxing.... Billy Graham is the worst trainer that british boxing ever had.....he just teach hatton how to "hug and punch" that's all......hatton just stay in england so you will win again...because your reffere there will tolarate the "hug and punch" style of yours....no one can beat the pac...

Graham had his limitations but Ricky became a world champion in two divisions and it took the best fighter in the world to stop him eventually. Hatton was taught how to box and it wasn't all punch clinch punch. Go and watch some early Hatton fights, he can fight a lot smarter and fluently than people give him credit for.

Manny is a special fighter, and you should be grateful for him. Attacking Graham solves nothing, he did very, very well with Ricky. It's attitudes like yours that detract from Manny, show a little respect.

Totally agree with you mate. Ricky is far from shot. I think this loss will do him good. He will learn from it and prepare better in his next fight (learn better defense?). What he does after this devastating loss is what define the character of Ricky Hatton.
Manny is special...

[HattonTheHammer]

im guessing saksakmo`s account has been suspended??

as for his nobody can ever beat the pacman..............urgh........


erik morales, 2 fellow phillipinos and juan manuel marquez....TWICE


just to answer your question!!

[Dizaster]

im guessing saksakmo`s account has been suspended??

as for his nobody can ever beat the pacman..............urgh........


erik morales, 2 fellow phillipinos and juan manuel marquez....TWICE


just to answer your question!!

Exactly.. he's not unbeatable.. And has been clearly beaten in fights.. Why he's P4P #1 now though is how he's gone on with his career.. Moving up in weight and being as good as he has been has made him an all time great... He could have stayed at the lighter weights and continued to be a force for years and still be remembered as an amazing dominent fighter.. But he is paving his own way as he goes and doing everything he is capable of.. And if he goes up to fight Floyd and possibly even wins, and takes another high caliber fight like that, it puts him above Morales and anyone he lost to earlier in his career...

[Dizaster]

stay with Billy Graham? it doesn't make sense sir,,,,still manny will destroy hatton....who train ricky hatton before? Billy Graham right? that's why even floyd sr. teach him to be a fast and defeinsive boxer it didnt work because Billy Graham teaching....hatton always hug his opponent then punch that's the hatton we know and once again we saw that in his fight againts pacman....so bottom line her is Billy Graham teach hatton in a wrong way of boxing.... Billy Graham is the worst trainer that british boxing ever had.....he just teach hatton how to "hug and punch" that's all......hatton just stay in england so you will win again...because your reffere there will tolarate the "hug and punch" style of yours....no one can beat the pac...

That's just silly... Not everyone is designed to fight the way PBF fights.. Billy Graham played up to Ricky's strengths.. And until PBF, who is possibly one of the most skilled fighters of our era, AND quite a bit bigger than Hatton, knocked him down,,,, Billy Graham's teachings weren't critized to much..
LIke I said, it played to Ricky's strengths.. If Hatton has trained with someone like Mayweather Sr from the start, he may never have even won a title...
Sometimes you have a style and ability to beat 90% of people out there, but that 10% will always have it over you...

Think of Margarito, on the night, he seems unstoppable and with his power and ability to take punches, he seemed invincible.. But Mosley showed what happens when you just meet your opposite... If Margarito had of learn to fight defensively from a trainer like Mayweather Sr, he may have never won a title either.. He may have never learn to attack his opponents in such a brutal way, and been picked off in fights....

Fact is, Ricky made the most of what he had, and there was just some guys who had the style an ability to have it over him..... No fault of Billy Graham, and not of Floyd Sr either..


And bare in mind, Hatton just didn't come in smart to that fight.. He was to impatient, to ready to put some hurt on pac as fast as possible, unwilling to take a round to feel out the speed and timing of the P4P #1 fighter in the world, and he got punished for it.. Simple as that in my opinion...

But I think he reached the pinacle of what he could achieve, and he did it by going head on with anything he came across... What the fuck more can you ask or expect from a boxer and his team...