umm Taeth, Jones Jr was both dominated for 12 rounds and knocked out, brutally i might add, does that make him any less of a great fighter? same thing goes for Morales, he was basically dominated for 11 rounds against Raheem, then knocked out twice by Pacquiao, does that make him a crap fighter like you put it?, just because people made Margarito (aside from the plaster issue) and Pavlik to be gods, that doesn't mean they weren't/aren't any good