Why not, Haye takes out Wlad in less than four

[ICB]

Did Klitschko not win every round against a guy who could give Haye a really tough fight? Ibragimov got silver in the olympics, he is has good speed, boxing skills, he's southpaw, has decent power, and is only an inch shorter than Haye. It was Wlad's speed and ability to dictate range that made Ibragimov so ordinary.

Sorry but Sultan Ibragimov fought so defensively against Wladimir Klitschko it wasn't even funny. And Wladimir Klitschko wasn't much better i don't see the comparison.

Sultan Ibragimov doesn't bring the kind of danger David Haye does with power, and lets be frank here why does everyone feel Sultan Ibragimov is so good ?

He was dropped against Ray Austin and fought him to a life and death draw. He won a pretty poor decision over a fighter that can't fight for more than 10 seconds of a round, and possibly the worst title holder in the history of the Heavyweight division aka Shannon Briggs.

And then Sultan Ibragimov won by about 5 rounds against a 44 year old Evander Holyfield, who hasn't been good since the late 90's. So tell me what is that good about Sultan Ibragimov ? because i honestly don't see why the Wladimir Klitschko fans rant about him so much.

[Taeth]

Did Klitschko not win every round against a guy who could give Haye a really tough fight? Ibragimov got silver in the olympics, he is has good speed, boxing skills, he's southpaw, has decent power, and is only an inch shorter than Haye. It was Wlad's speed and ability to dictate range that made Ibragimov so ordinary.

Sorry but Sultan Ibragimov fought so defensively against Wladimir Klitschko it wasn't even funny. And Wladimir Klitschko wasn't much better i don't see the comparison.

Sultan Ibragimov doesn't bring the kind of danger David Haye does with power, and lets be frank here why does everyone feel Sultan Ibragimov is so good ?

He was dropped against Ray Austin and fought him to a life and death draw. He won a pretty poor decision over a fighter that can't fight for more than 10 seconds of a round, and possibly the worst title holder in the history of the Heavyweight division aka Shannon Briggs.

And then Sultan Ibragimov won by about 5 rounds against a 44 year old Evander Holyfield, who hasn't been good since the late 90's. So tell me what is that good about Sultan Ibragimov ? because i honestly don't see why the Wladimir Klitschko fans rant about him so much.

He beat Shannon Briggs easily, give me a break, and he had a bad night against Ray Austin. Did Haye not get ko'ed by Carl Thompson? Honestly watch Ibragimov, he has good countering ability, he moves well, he has excellent speed for a heavyweight, had he not retired IMO he would beat Samuel Peter, Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, and would give Povetchkin a good fight. Ibragimov doesn't hit as hard as Haye, I am not sure there are many heavyweight that have that true power David possesses, but he does hit hard enough to badly hurt Klitschko if he had caught him cleanly on the chin.

Do you know why Ibragimov couldn't get off? Or Chris Byrd? Or the other guys who were fast that faced Wladimir? Because Wlad when he throws his jab is very hard to counter, it is a much quicker jab than people appreciate and it lands like a hammer.

The fact is both Klitschko and Haye are both exceptionally special fighters with three major flaws
1) No chin
2) lack of stamina
3) Could have better defensive skills(Klitschko could be taken off this list as of late).

I don't think this is a definite win for Klitschko, David Haye is the fastest and most athletic fighter he will have ever faced, and going against what I used to believe probably has the best knockout power, he might not literally hit as hard as Brewster or Sanders or Peter, but with that speed and accuracy he lands harder than anyone I've seen since Tyson.

[ICB]

Did Klitschko not win every round against a guy who could give Haye a really tough fight? Ibragimov got silver in the olympics, he is has good speed, boxing skills, he's southpaw, has decent power, and is only an inch shorter than Haye. It was Wlad's speed and ability to dictate range that made Ibragimov so ordinary.

Sorry but Sultan Ibragimov fought so defensively against Wladimir Klitschko it wasn't even funny. And Wladimir Klitschko wasn't much better i don't see the comparison.

Sultan Ibragimov doesn't bring the kind of danger David Haye does with power, and lets be frank here why does everyone feel Sultan Ibragimov is so good ?

He was dropped against Ray Austin and fought him to a life and death draw. He won a pretty poor decision over a fighter that can't fight for more than 10 seconds of a round, and possibly the worst title holder in the history of the Heavyweight division aka Shannon Briggs.

And then Sultan Ibragimov won by about 5 rounds against a 44 year old Evander Holyfield, who hasn't been good since the late 90's. So tell me what is that good about Sultan Ibragimov ? because i honestly don't see why the Wladimir Klitschko fans rant about him so much.

He beat Shannon Briggs easily, give me a break, and he had a bad night against Ray Austin. Did Haye not get ko'ed by Carl Thompson? Honestly watch Ibragimov, he has good countering ability, he moves well, he has excellent speed for a heavyweight, had he not retired IMO he would beat Samuel Peter, Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, and would give Povetchkin a good fight. Ibragimov doesn't hit as hard as Haye, I am not sure there are many heavyweight that have that true power David possesses, but he does hit hard enough to badly hurt Klitschko if he had caught him cleanly on the chin.

Do you know why Ibragimov couldn't get off? Or Chris Byrd? Or the other guys who were fast that faced Wladimir? Because Wlad when he throws his jab is very hard to counter, it is a much quicker jab than people appreciate and it lands like a hammer.

The fact is both Klitschko and Haye are both exceptionally special fighters with three major flaws
1) No chin
2) lack of stamina
3) Could have better defensive skills(Klitschko could be taken off this list as of late).

I don't think this is a definite win for Klitschko, David Haye is the fastest and most athletic fighter he will have ever faced, and going against what I used to believe probably has the best knockout power, he might not literally hit as hard as Brewster or Sanders or Peter, but with that speed and accuracy he lands harder than anyone I've seen since Tyson.

I never said he didn't beat Shannon Briggs easily on the scorecards, what im trying too prove here is that its only Shannon Briggs. One of the worst title holders in the history of boxing, who can only fight for 20 seconds of the round.

What does it prove beating him and why do you think Sultan Ibragimov is that good ? get any top Heavyweight in the 90's and they would of destroyed that version of Shannon Briggs within 5 rounds. And you say he had a bad night against Ray Austin ?

That sounds like a pretty poor excuse and i think your only saying that, because that proves Sultan Ibragimov isn't that good to begin with. Yes he is a decent boxer who is pretty durable. But he isn't as good as the Wladimir Klitschko fans make out, and he certainly doesn't bring the danger element David Haye does.

Yes David Haye did lose to Carl Thompson, but that was when he was very inexperienced he battered, Carl Thompson from pillar to post. Then run out of steam and his corner threw in the towel. It was similar to Wladimir Klitschko's loss to Ross Purrity when he run out of steam.

But both of those fights were a blessing in disguise, because it made them both what they are today much better fighters. I do agree both fighters have weaknesses like suspect chins/suspect stamina's. But what i don't like what im hearing from some people is that David Haye has no chance when that isn't true.

As i said i think David Haye is the most dangerous opponent Wladimir Klitschko has fought since Corrie Sanders. And i think its a winnable fight for David Haye, im not saying David Haye will win for 100 percent, and Wladimir Klitschko has just as much chance of KO'ing David Haye. All im trying to say is that David Haye has a legit chance in this fight thats all im trying to argue.

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The Klitchsko brothers are the cream of the heavyweight class. There's never been better heavyweights in the history of boxing.

[El Kabong]

Does Haye have a chance? Sure he's got a chance, anyone who gets in the ring has A CHANCE vs anyone else.

Is Haye skilled? Sure he's got quick hands, he's got decent power.

My thoughts on this fight is that #1 Wlad has height, reach, power AND unlike any fighter Haye has been in with Wladimir knows how to use them. #2 Wladimir also has "big fight experience", sure Haye has fought Mormeck and Maccarinelli but IMO and I think just the general view is that Heavyweight is the BIGGEST division, not only in size but in hype and coverage. Sure Haye looks confident, sure Haye talks a confident talk, but when he steps in the ring will we see him relaxed and calm or will we see him tight and a little apprehensive?

Haye can talk all he wants to, most of the guys Wladimir has fought in the past and recently have looked a lot better in other fights. They have looked more calm, more collected, more at ease...and when they step in vs Wladimir damn near all of them tighten up either because of the grandure of the event or because they fear Wladimir. Corrie Sanders went at Wladimir with a kamikazi attitude and he's the ONE fighter it actually paid off for, there is a chance Haye could try that but it worked for 1 guy out of 55. Brewster and Purrity took massive beatings and survived them, David Haye can't and won't do that.

I just think Wlad can outbox Haye, Wlad can KO Haye, and hell we don't know how Haye will respond to the pressure of the event, I'm thinking he'll be a tad nervous, too tight to punch in bunches, too deliberate in his attack, and Wladimir will come out demolish Haye, I think he may surprise Haye by jumping on him early.

[Taeth]

Sorry but Sultan Ibragimov fought so defensively against Wladimir Klitschko it wasn't even funny. And Wladimir Klitschko wasn't much better i don't see the comparison.

Sultan Ibragimov doesn't bring the kind of danger David Haye does with power, and lets be frank here why does everyone feel Sultan Ibragimov is so good ?

He was dropped against Ray Austin and fought him to a life and death draw. He won a pretty poor decision over a fighter that can't fight for more than 10 seconds of a round, and possibly the worst title holder in the history of the Heavyweight division aka Shannon Briggs.

And then Sultan Ibragimov won by about 5 rounds against a 44 year old Evander Holyfield, who hasn't been good since the late 90's. So tell me what is that good about Sultan Ibragimov ? because i honestly don't see why the Wladimir Klitschko fans rant about him so much.

He beat Shannon Briggs easily, give me a break, and he had a bad night against Ray Austin. Did Haye not get ko'ed by Carl Thompson? Honestly watch Ibragimov, he has good countering ability, he moves well, he has excellent speed for a heavyweight, had he not retired IMO he would beat Samuel Peter, Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, and would give Povetchkin a good fight. Ibragimov doesn't hit as hard as Haye, I am not sure there are many heavyweight that have that true power David possesses, but he does hit hard enough to badly hurt Klitschko if he had caught him cleanly on the chin.

Do you know why Ibragimov couldn't get off? Or Chris Byrd? Or the other guys who were fast that faced Wladimir? Because Wlad when he throws his jab is very hard to counter, it is a much quicker jab than people appreciate and it lands like a hammer.

The fact is both Klitschko and Haye are both exceptionally special fighters with three major flaws
1) No chin
2) lack of stamina
3) Could have better defensive skills(Klitschko could be taken off this list as of late).

I don't think this is a definite win for Klitschko, David Haye is the fastest and most athletic fighter he will have ever faced, and going against what I used to believe probably has the best knockout power, he might not literally hit as hard as Brewster or Sanders or Peter, but with that speed and accuracy he lands harder than anyone I've seen since Tyson.

I never said he didn't beat Shannon Briggs easily on the scorecards, what im trying too prove here is that its only Shannon Briggs. One of the worst title holders in the history of boxing, who can only fight for 20 seconds of the round.

What does it prove beating him and why do you think Sultan Ibragimov is that good ? get any top Heavyweight in the 90's and they would of destroyed that version of Shannon Briggs within 5 rounds. And you say he had a bad night against Ray Austin ?

That sounds like a pretty poor excuse and i think your only saying that, because that proves Sultan Ibragimov isn't that good to begin with. Yes he is a decent boxer who is pretty durable. But he isn't as good as the Wladimir Klitschko fans make out, and he certainly doesn't bring the danger element David Haye does.

Yes David Haye did lose to Carl Thompson, but that was when he was very inexperienced he battered, Carl Thompson from pillar to post. Then run out of steam and his corner threw in the towel. It was similar to Wladimir Klitschko's loss to Ross Purrity when he run out of steam.

But both of those fights were a blessing in disguise, because it made them both what they are today much better fighters. I do agree both fighters have weaknesses like suspect chins/suspect stamina's. But what i don't like what im hearing from some people is that David Haye has no chance when that isn't true.

As i said i think David Haye is the most dangerous opponent Wladimir Klitschko has fought since Corrie Sanders. And i think its a winnable fight for David Haye, im not saying David Haye will win for 100 percent, and Wladimir Klitschko has just as much chance of KO'ing David Haye. All im trying to say is that David Haye has a legit chance in this fight thats all im trying to argue.

Don't worry ICB, I disagre about Ibragimov being a pretty solid fighter with good skills and speed. I agree with everything else though, and I really like both of these guys, Haye I think is dynamic and exciting and Wladimir Klitschko is the only guy I like to watch only throw a jab for 12 rounds because you know how hard it is landing, and its not easy controlling a guy even 4-5 inches shorter than you with just a jab.