Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140

[Dr. Steelhammer]

Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.

your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...

De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.

in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...

If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did?

don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either

You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.

Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.

your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...

De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.

in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...

If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did?

don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either

You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.

Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.

how is it not fair? if someones reason that Pacquiao will win is simply because Freddie Roach its pretty laughable to be honest, Roach is a good trainer, but he's not the only reason Manny wins, and i know none of those fighters are Manny Pacquiao, B-Hop IMO is a greater fighter than Pacquiao and i rank him higher than Manny on my ATG list, but saying that they aren't Manny is really irrelevant, cause they all had Roach in their corner and lost, so getting to my point, simply having him in your corner doesn't secure the win

[Snakey]

Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.

your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...

De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.

in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...

If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did?

don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either

You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.

Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.

Yeah coz it was the guys with the speed that beat kostya, the southpaws ay? Just check his record and tell me how many southpaws beat him, how many rounds they lasted and were any of them fast offensive fighters. Then come talk to me about this.

[ElTerribleMorales]

your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...

De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.

in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...
don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either

You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.

Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.

Yeah coz it was the guys with the speed that beat kostya, the southpaws ay? Just check his record and tell me how many southpaws beat him, how many rounds they lasted and were any of them fast offensive fighters. Then come talk to me about this.

agree, and also Dr. Steelhammer, Tszyu would drop Pacquiao faster than Torrecampo and Singsurat did, now i know why Pacquiao didn't want the fight going into the 3rd

[Gandalf]

Prime Kostya knocks out Manny in the final minute of round two.

No, but in all seriousness, I think he was too good for Manny and would hurt him BAD. If he was getting rocked at 130, Kostya would be making his legs twitch involuntarily and on a regular basis. He wouldn't last. And that's no slur on Manny, it's just that Kostya was that good at his best. Kostya was a good technical fighter and wouldn't hand Manny his chin on a dish.

[Snakey]

Someone in this thread likened Kostya to JMM. And he was, he was a very smart fighter. He had alot of tools to use, he didnt just have a dynamite right hand. He knew how to set you up, trap ya. He was a great pressure fighter that could cut off the ring very well. Id say he would time manny with the right hand all night.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Someone in this thread likened Kostya to JMM. And he was, he was a very smart fighter. He had alot of tools to use, he didnt just have a dynamite right hand. He knew how to set you up, trap ya. He was a great pressure fighter that could cut off the ring very well. Id say he would time manny with the right hand all night.

Tszyu would stalk his opponents and strike at will with great accuracy, making the most of his opportunities. Manny would be in for a torrid time with Tszyu, he didn't handle Marquez all that well and i don't see him handling Tszyu at all. I see Tszyu winning by a late stoppage in rounds 9-10.

[Snakey]

Someone in this thread likened Kostya to JMM. And he was, he was a very smart fighter. He had alot of tools to use, he didnt just have a dynamite right hand. He knew how to set you up, trap ya. He was a great pressure fighter that could cut off the ring very well. Id say he would time manny with the right hand all night.

Tszyu would stalk his opponents and strike at will with great accuracy, making the most of his opportunities. Manny would be in for a torrid time with Tszyu, he didn't handle Marquez all that well and i don't see him handling Tszyu at all. I see Tszyu winning by a late stoppage in rounds 9-10.

Mate i honestly dont think manny makes it past round 4. Manny puts all his weight into his left hand, could you imagine if Tszyu timed him and connected with the right at that point in time. Lights out. I watched the hatton fight and said to my old man...could you imagine kostya vs pac back in the day. Just so many openings tszyu would love, dont get me wrong..awesome performance by manny but i think he would be tailor made for kostya.

[Andre]

Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.

your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...

De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.

in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...

If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did?

don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either

You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.

Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.

At that late stage yes but we are talking about in their prime.
That is a 'no he wouldnt'.

[Andre]

In their prime ;
I cant see Manny overwhelming him early so if he was going to win, it would be by belting him stupid late.
Tszyu could time stuff comming at him, Manny would get hit with big shots over that time which would equal the fight out in Manny some what, later in the game.

Manny on points if he lasts or a Tszyu stoppage 45/55.