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Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.
your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...

De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.

in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...
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If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did?
don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either
You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.

Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.
how is it not fair? if someones reason that Pacquiao will win is simply because Freddie Roach its pretty laughable to be honest, Roach is a good trainer, but he's not the only reason Manny wins, and i know none of those fighters are Manny Pacquiao, B-Hop IMO is a greater fighter than Pacquiao and i rank him higher than Manny on my ATG list, but saying that they aren't Manny is really irrelevant, cause they all had Roach in their corner and lost, so getting to my point, simply having him in your corner doesn't secure the win